Hello Arthur,

Savio states he measured Pi=3.141 in the original FIGU Forum so why are you discrediting his results when what he accomplished demonstrated far more precision and accuracy than Harry L. or Christian F. both of whom conducted their experiments rather poorly? Put away the round wooden disks, and your measuring tapes, and your color crayons and paper and do some real math, and then you will learn Pi=3.1446 is impossible.

Hello Arthur,

If you read exactly what Savio wrote in the forum, he states they measured CLOSER TO Pi=3.141. Here it is again copied for your convenience.

Here is a link to the Flat Earth Society you may want to consider joining. Like you, they believe what you see is all the proof you need. The flat-earth society members look out their window and see a flat-earth and conclude the obvious, that the world must be flat and so the FIGU Community Pi=3.1446 enthusiasts believe measuring Pi=3.1446 is obvious proof Pi=3.1446. Unlikely either group has academics with university science degrees as its members. You should hook-up with them; perfect match.

Please answer the question why are you discrediting the Contact Report information about Pi where both Billy and Ptaah state the true and correct Pi remains unknown while you and small group of radicals, claim the true and correct Pi=3.1446 unless you are too cowardly to address your rogue behavior? You know the Plejaren are watching you folks and shaking their heads in dismay.

Cat got your tongue? I'm merely exposing the radicals within the FIGU Community who are deliberately falsifying the Contact Report information. The Contact Reports clearly state the true and correct Pi is unknown which may be directly quoted by both Billy and the Plejaren, and the message couldn't be more plainly stated yet the Know-It-All's, as cited by Ptaah, who operate as a faction within the FIGU Community, claim the true and correct Pi=3.1446 has been solved which directly contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports. Recall in the Christian faith Jamanuel's teachings, wisdom, knowledge and advice were ignored and falsified including changing his name to Jesus by radicals within the Christian religion. See a pattern.

13 days later

The FIGU Community Radicals continue to push their belief the true and correct π =3.1446, onto the FIGU Community by presenting yet another faked π = 3.1446 proof in spite of the fact Billy Meier's authentic Contact Report clearly states the true and correct π remains known, and further Ptaah clarifies traditional π = 3.14159 remains the best estimate of true π in CR 712.

Arthur's PI Day demonstrates another attempt to fake the π = 3.1446 proof where in the last pretty picture drawing, there is no logical sequence that one may directly conclude π = 3.1446? Everything preceding the final Kepler triangle is logical and makes sense (surprisingly) , however the entire proof falls apart when, in the last drawing, there is a sudden jump-to-conclusions that from the Kepler triangle it may be obviously inferred π = 3.1446, is missing a whole lot of steps and therefore wholly inadequate as a proof π = 3.1446.

Highly recommend the FIGU Radicals who continue to push π = 3.1446 onto the FIGU Community read my version of a Pi Day document that actually supports the Contact Report information and why π =3.14159 is still the best estimate of true π. Just curious do you radicals all have long noses like Pinocchio for telling so many lies?

    The True Pi Value as Explained by Billy and Ptaah in the Contact Reports










    12 days later

    The ongoing false claim Pi=3.1446, gained considerable momentum within the FIGU Community thanks to Christian Frehner, FIGU Core member who, in his infinite wisdom, decided to promote the nonsense the true and correct Pi=3.1446 in Bulletin 77. This has empowered the FIGU Radicals to continue promoting the Pi=3.1446 lie and is an example of a problem Ptaah acknowledges in CR 712; that the FIGU Mission has not come to a 'comprehensive success' due to various human being on Earth who should have honestly stood up for the Mission, but instead are guilty of deceit, falsehoods, dishonestly, etc.

    Its no wonder the FIGU Mission has been challenged to spread the truth when, as an example, a FIGU Core member cannot get the truth correct and spreads false, conflicting information about Pi and lacks the humility to admit they were wrong. It should be no surprise therefore, as long as this nonsense continues, it will take another 800-years or more, for Humankind to finally accept the truth as shared by Billy Meier.

      21 days later

      Hello Jude,

      When one learns how Pi is calculated, and doing the analysis manually, you acquire an understanding why Pi=3.14159 is currently the best estimate of the true and correct Pi, and Pi=3.1446 is totally impossible and with that knowledge, it becomes trivial to find the faults in each-and-every faked Pi=3.1446 proof, as, is also in this case. This video represents yet another attempt to FAKE the proof Pi=3.1446.

      The video chugs along and the geometric shape calculations check-out fine and are accurate until minute 4:42 when a completely out-of-thin-air 'unproven' assumption is presented wrongly as fact. At 4:42 it is assumed the drawn square and circle have the exact same perimeter and circumference respectively. At no point in the video is it ever presented, nor demonstrated how it may be assumed the circle circumference EQUALS the square perimeter and therefore the entire proof is invalid and lacks credibility.

      You referenced an old Contact Report 260, where Billy asks Ptaah to comment on Guido's Pi = 3.1446 calculations, and in response Ptaah informs Billy the results are interesting, but he may not provide any further clarification as to its accuracy, therefore no conclusion may be derived from Ptaah's comment regarding the true and correct Pi value. That is a FACT.

      Recommend you read CR 712 & CR 722 references to Pi where Ptaah and Billy both clearly state the true and correct Pi remains unknown to Earth humans and in CR 712, Ptaah makes it abundantly clear traditional Pi=3.14159 may be used for all Earthly round and circular calculations in both math and physics because traditional Pi=3.14159 is nearly perfect.

        Hush That, my dear friend, is for your consideration. The numbers are universal. So your rant means absolutely nothing other than an indication that you want to believe and not learn... Like a lot of Christians or Muslims do with their religion, or like the mainstream media does with the news, or like soldiers do with wars... All they do is believe without research.

        The video is the culmination of years of research and comparisons. The video is mine but the knowledge isn't mine. The construction knowledge comes first from Samuel Laboy who finds the way to correctly square the circle. However he doesn't mention anything about Pi because his goals wasn't the calculations of Pi but the assurance that the construction of the Pyramid of Giza was done with measurements which are both equal in both the microcosm and macrocosm.

        I simply did what Archimedes did in regards to Pi... I took the perimeter of the base of the Pyramid and divided it by twice the height, which gave me exactly 3.144606 at 100%.

        And so it shows that you did not watch the video until the end because there's a second construction (shown in twice the videos speed) to which at the end the base of the Pyramid is 3.14460551103, taking into consideration that the height which serves also as a radius, is Phi, or rather the Golden Ratio.

        It shows that you are quick to judge and slow to learn. So I question your integrity towards the contact reports. Your writing looks more like the rants of a desperate man (or woman) trying to ensnared the ones in the know back into idiocy.

        Are you an idiot? The Pi you revere so much is nowhere near transcendental if it's equation is ((1/2!)2)*4. You and I both know that it is impossible to square the circle with 3.1415, because Pi 3.1415 is based on the 96-gon equation of Archimedes which leaves a HUGE GAP within the area under the curve.

        3.144606 resolves that at 100% considering that it is perimeter to circumference and not the other one area to perimeter which so far I CANNOT reproduce with neither 3.1415 nor 3.144606.

        Learn the distinction.

        My guess is that you adore the 3.1415 because so many imbeciles have learned to memorize its digit to the umpteenth digit that learning that there is a new (or rather older) version of Pi that does exactly what it is supposed to do is TOO MUCH WORK FOR YOU hence the reason you attack with the ammo you were handed down and not the ammo you found for yourself. Asking you to wake up would be way to much for your eyelids.

        You want 3.1415? Consider phi2/(5/6)=3.1416. That one which in more decimals is 3.1416407864998738178455042012387657412643710 and 3.144605511029693144 come BOTH from the Golden Ratio. Only 3.14460551103 is connected to the Kepler's Right Triangle at 100% accuracy.

        Also... When calculating for the circumference, I know that you only use 3.1415 to maintain its popularity despite its inaccuracies. I know because I DID EXACTLY THE SAME MISTAKE AS YOU DID... namely, taking 3.14159265359 to calculate the circumference of a radius of 3.14460551103.

        This will NEVER WORK. EVER!

        So... If we all follow the Law of cause and effect, then hopefully, this facilitate your comprehension:

        (b2/a)2-a2=b2

        (42/pi)2-pi2=42

        Do the above equation with both Pi 3.1415 and 3.144606. 3.1415 cannot get back to 4 and never will.

        In the video of the construction of the Pyramid via the squaring of the circle, at 4:21, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT I DID NOT IMPOSE THE 3.144606 at the base of the Pyramid; it just REVEALED ITSELF.

        Also, I hope that you have notice that the thumbnail was hand-drawn. I tested it with a SQUARE AND COMPASS and the results for the Pi is greater than that of the conventionally accepted Pi.

        In other words, you are either a brown-nose of bad science or one of those know-it-all who are just too proud to learn more.

        Did you know... My disinterest in mathematics when I was young was due to the inability of my teachers to explain to me where the number Pi came from in the first place?

        Your trolling is the joke of an adult acting like a dumbass. Don't make me Red Foreman you on this forum like this is the 70s Show. Keep on researching and get back to us with facts, not washed-out hogwash.

          Jude your admitted disinterest in mathematics isn't helping your credibility on the subject (lol). None-the-less, your video is fine and correct up to the point of 4:42 minutes when there is a serious flaw in your logic which wrongly assumes the perimeter of the drawn square and circumference of the drawn circle have equal lengths. I posed the question asking you to provide the proof in order to legitimize this claim and rather than provide the requested information you chose to hurl insults. So I'll repeat my request, please publish the proof showing how the perimeter of the drawn square and circumference of the drawn circle may be assumed to have equal lengths. If you are unable to provide the requested proof, then obviously, your effort represents yet another failed attempt to fake the Pi=3.1446 proof.

          Jude, you also refer to the base of the pyramid in one of your calculations however, the Giza pyramid base dimension is unknown. Billy has never shared the true and precise Giza pyramid base dimension. If you recall Billy provided the original height of the Giza pyramid but not the pyramid base. Since the precise Giza pyramid base dimension is unknown it may not be used in any proof. Guido calculated a base dimension using the pyramid height provided by Billy, and by assuming a Golden Ratio relationship of the height-to-base, however this is an assumption nothing more. Finally, all and any software you, Arthur, and others, have been using attempting to fake Pi=3.1446, is actually encoded with traditional Pi=3.14159. Even Harry Lear's famous round disk, cut on a CNC machine, was actually cut digitally using Pi=3.14146. Imagine that.

          Dear Arthur, was hoping you would chime in with your 2-cents! Rarely do the FIGU Radicals, pushing the Pi=3.1446 LIE, ever refer to the Contact Report references, but you've made an exception by referring to CR 251. If you actually read CR 251 carefully, it states the error in Pi will be solved by our future scientists while working brilliantly together to solve the problem with our dying Sun and thereby discover the error in the Pi number. Since our Sun is not dying anytime soon, this clearly indicates that the error in Pi will not be solved for a very very long time; and its true value likely remain unknown for hundreds of years. To propose the error in Pi has been solved now, and its true value Pi=3.1446 is simply preposterous relative to the credible and reliable information in the Contact Reports.

          Arthur hope you realize what transpired when Harry visited Switzerland, originate from Harry himself. Imagine if Harry also claimed the Plejaren took him for a quick trip to the moon as a small reward for his brilliant effort solving the true and correct Pi=3.1446, you'd believe that too. Well you may be gullible and believe what anyone tells you, however what reason do I or anyone else have to believe Harry's accounts of what truly transpired in Switzerland? Even Christian Frehner, who foolishly endorsed Harry's nonsense Pi=3.1446 in Bulletin #77, was at least smart enough not to publish any references to the Plejaren accepting Harry's proof Pi=3.1446. Further, if what you describe of Harry's accounts actually happened in Switzerland, then the information should be shared and published in the Contact Reports for the entire FIGU Community to benefit from this knowledge instead of keeping it shrouded in secrecy. Yet none of Harry's visit to Switzerland has ever been published nor mentioned in any Contact Reports nor did Harry even talk to Billy Meier while he was there. You would think Billy might be at least curious to meet the amazing Harry Lear, the person who discovered the true and correct Pi=3.1446; yet Billy couldn't be care less about meeting the infamous Harry; inventor of Pi=3.1446. In fact the only source for the claim the Plejaren accepted Harry's proof Pi=3.1446 originates from none other than Harry Lear himself which is hardly a credible reference.

          You may not understand my purpose for posting on this forum, so let me spell-it-out. Although my posts are directed to the FIGU Radicals, who operate as a faction within the FIGU Community pushing their belief the true and correct Pi=3.1446, my primary intent is to warn the FIGU Community of a faction of Radicals operating within pushing their Pi=3.1446 LIE; who have enjoyed free reign and have gone unchallenged for far too long and a second opinion will help those undecided within the FIGU Community form their own logic and conclusion and ultimately make an informed and educated decision.

          The primarily difference is that the FIGU Radicals, pushing the true and correct Pi=3.1446, have absolutely no Contact Report references to support their claim Pi=3.1446 whereas I present information directly from the Contact Reports which clearly state the true and correct Pi is unknown to Earth humans (Ptaah CR 712 & Billy 722) and that traditional Pi=3.14149 is currently the best approximation of the true and correct Pi (Ptaah CR 712).

          Billy Meier knows the true and correct Pi is unknown to Earth humans (CR 722), due to our limited technology, which means the FIGU Radicals claiming the true and correct Pi=3.1446..., are lying, plain and simple. Further, every scientist, mathematician and engineer in the entire world knows Pi=3.1446 is a LIE.

          However the FIGU Radicals are quite influential, with pied-piper like charm, have gone virtually unchallenged, pushing their Pi=3.1446 lie onto the FIGU Community for far too long and surprisingly, managed to convince many within the FIGU Community, who perhaps do not have a strong mathematics background, the true and correct Pi=3.1446 based upon the FIGU Radicals nonsense faked gibberish proofs.

          Therefore I am merely providing a second opinion to share with the FIGU Community, challenging the FIGU Radicals belief the true and correct Pi=3.1446 and thereby warning the FIGU Community to be wary of this faction who have infiltrated and been busy spreading lies the true and correct Pi=3.1446 contrary to the information in the Contact Reports. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that the FIGU Radicals, perhaps are not so stupid, and comprise informed agents tasked with discrediting the FIGU Mission by convincing the FIGU Community the true and correct Pi=3.1446. This sounds like a conspiracy, yet would be a brilliant effective plan because anyone from the FIGU Community who believes this nonsense Pi=3.1446 and approaches anyone from worldwide academic community and tries to share the truth about Billy Meier, but also says the true and correct Pi=3.1446, the academics will politely label them and fool and idiot. So if there are FIGU Radicals tasked with discrediting the FIGU Mission, well then they will have succeeded. This is not entirely implausible, so, at the very least, I'm here to make sure that every effort is made to ensure the FIGU Radicals are held in check and no longer have free reign to spread their nonsense to the FIGU Community that the true and correct Pi=3.1446. I am confident folks within the FIGU Community who are aware of this form, and reading the information I've shared about Pi, are truly getting the message and is effectively putting a stop to the FIGU Radicals attempts to convince everyone Pi=3.1446. So message is to the FIGU Radicals, but to stop you from pushing your nonsense.

          Understandably the FIGU Radicals are a little upset that their silly belief Pi=3.1446 has been challenged for the first time by someone within the FIGU Community no less. Its bad enough that every scientist, mathematician and engineer in the entire world already knows Pi=3.1446 is a LIE, but my God, the nerve of someone to dare challenge the FIGU Radicals opinion Pi=3.1446, from within in the FIGU Community; well the nerve.

          The FIGU Radicals have enjoyed a nice comfortable home within the FIGU Community for too long, where pushing Pi=3.1446 has gone unchallenged and even welcomed, ever since Billy Meier first mentions the error in Pi in CR 251. So the FIGU Radicals can roam freely withint the FIGU Community promoting their nonsense the correct value Pi=3.1446 virtually unchallenged, because there is an error in Pi, and by God we've found it, and its true and correct value Pi=3.1446 (lol). And so understandably the FIGU Radicals are a little upset when their nonsense is now challenged from within the FIGU Community - by me!

          My efforts will be successful. Anyone who considers themselves part of the FIGU Community, and possesses a normal evolving consciousness, capable of reason and understanding, may appreciate my information is quoted directly from the Contact Reports and this will eventually, effectively put a STOP to the FIGU Radicals ongoing foolishness destroying and trampling truth by falsifying the Contact Report information and claiming the true and correct Pi=3.1446

            Dear Arthur whining and complaining accomplishes nothing.

            Hush

            Is that clear enough for you? That's elementary school level knowledge. Your long post means nothing if you only ask for the bread and do not learn how to make the bread.

            Take a calculator, try it yourself. Take a compass and square, try it yourself. Take Geogebra, try it yourself. You hang on to the old value of Pi because you can't take the fact that scientists were wrong, or if ever they knew the true value, they hid it only for their own benefit while little pathetic gullible drones gubble up that fake Pi as if it will save them.

            I mean... This is simple math. If you are a true mathematician, you will take the tools and test it for yourself. Granted... The tools of our time are not the most precise, but that is due to the hard-headedness of those who still want to promote illusion instead of the truth. They sound so mych like the Pharisees and Sadducees of old. Messing up with the minds of the good people.

            Ridiculous.

              Hush
              Test the equation with any other Pi on the planet. ANY! it will never work. At all! But with the value of 3.14460551103 it works flawlessly.

                Hush
                Riddle me this: if Pi is so transcendental, why then does it have an equation. A simple one on top of that!

                  Hello Jude, sorry to advise your very first equation in your very first post, is flawed and incorrect. In order to obtain 32 / Pi = 10.185916..... requires using traditional Pi=3.14159. That is you haven't explained any of your assumptions but a quick calculation check verifies the very first equation does use traditional Pi=3.14159 however this also means by assigning the diameter of the circle also equals Pi, then the circumference of the circle equals Pi x Diameter which in this case Pi because the Diameter is assigned the value Pi, the circle circumference equals Pi2 (Pi squared) which equals 9.869604... NOT 10.185916 as claimed to be the circle circumference. So already, in the very first equation you've made a huge mistake - again. Math amateurs.

                  Just noticed you've been adding more software screen captures non-stop with more gibberish; sorry to interrupt your feverish posting frenzy.

                  All you FIGU Radicals pushing Pi=3.1446 on the FIGU Community should read Contact Reports 712 and 722 and try to understand the message Billy Meier has conveyed and stop posting your nonsense here. And read CR 251 which says the true and correct Pi value will be discovered by Earth's future scientists far into the future while trying to solve the problem with our dying Sun. Get with the program guys. Stop pushing your own agenda and Focus on Billy Meier's message including what he has said about the true and correct Pi.

                  I actually agree with Arthur that it would be nice if the site administrator would clean-up in here and remove all the Pi=3.1446 nonsense none of which is ever supported in any of the Contact Reports. In fact, if you check each-and-every Contact Report, neither "Phi" nor the "Golden Ratio" are ever mentioned nor discussed specifically by Billy or the Plejaren. The FIGU Radicals have been brainwashed into believing Pi=3.1446 and are beyond all hope of seeing the truth - unfortunately, however my message isn't for the FIGU Radicals, as they are a lost cause, but rather for the rest of the FIGU Community to help them make an informed decision about Pi, and perhaps stop them from mistakenly referring to Pi=3.1446 and save them from embarrassment when discussing the FIGU material with an academic. That's my goal, to help the entire FIGU Community and protect them from the Radicals from within.

                  Just throwing this out there for your consideration, wondering if the FIGU Radicals ever have meetings, like a support group, to express their joint frustrations, failures and console each other while trying vainly to convince the worldwide academic community Pi=3.1446. With such overwhelming defeat there is merit in sticking together for a false cause like the Flat Earth Society members support each other.

                  So it must be frustrating not a single engineer, scientists or mathematician in the entire world will seriously entertain the FIGU Radicals claim Pi=3.1446 in spite of your best efforts. Why even Harry Lear sent a long winded letter to then President Donald Trump falsely claiming the Plejaren endorsed his calculations Pi=3.1446, but his valiant effort has been entirely ignored by all academics and politicians, and so the FIGU Radicals sought refuge within the FIGU Community, wallowing in their grief as the last safe vestibule, where the nonsense Pi=3.1446 is still tolerated, that is, until I came along and challenged their false claim Pi=3.1446.

                  I do feel kind of sorry for the FIGU Radicals, who have worked tirelessly promoting Pi=3.1446 yet not a single academic will take you seriously, and so, willing to call a truce, if you do have regular meeting, willing to help out. I will bring my crayons, large sheets of paper, and help you create more pretty pictures to support your Pi=3.1446 proofs, but no promises, I may color outside the lines. And then if there is extra time, we could do some round disk measurements with Pi-tapes. That would be fun. Anyway just reach out if you're interested.

                    Hello Jude,

                    My original response addressed only your first screen-capture equation and had no idea, at the time, you had continued posting more screen captures, none of which makes any sense by the way. Just to clarify my response was limited to your first equation, and offer the following additional incite.

                    At no point do any of your screen-captured equations clearly and logically demonstrate how the circumference of a circle and perimeter of a square have the same length as claimed in your video. For example the very first screen equation starts with the number '32' which seems arbitrarily, perhaps this is your favorite number, who knows as no explanation is provided. And for some reason the circle circumference equal to 32 is divide by traditional Pi=3.14159 which does in fact equal 10.185916357, but its a pointless calculation and proves nothing. As previously explained if the diameter of a circle is, for whatever unknown reason, set equal to Pi then the circumference of the circle is Pi2 which works out to 9.869604401.

                    The equation presented for squaring the circle, is just pulled out of thin air, a common practice among the Pi=3.1446 fakers, who expect they can just materialize any equation they want and expect people to accept it as fact without providing any valid proof? Repeatedly, when I fact checked Harry Lear's geometric proof, Arthur's proof, and anyone else attempting to fake Pi=3.1446 poof, inevitably requires presenting some illogical assumption to make it work, as in this case; squaring the circle equation with no supporting rationale or proof. So typical.

                    If you truly want folks to understand your logic and rationale, properly document your logic, reasoning and analysis process in a research paper. Clearly define your thought process in a clear and concise logical sequence anyone can follow. This is a pretty standard protocol for proving any math concept.