A Discussion on Neutrality
Hoota Thunk Hi Hoota, no worries, I understand. :-)
Mike Whelan Hi Mike, thank you for the reply. As soon as I have processed this information, I will reply with my understanding. Thank you for giving me your understanding of my question.
Salome 
6 days later
Mike Whelan Hi Mike, thank you for your patience in my reply. Key elements to one growth of an offerender are acceptance, understanding, and forgiveness. Although I must admit this would be very hard for any individual. I'm still coming to terms with this.
Salome
Mya Hi Mya, my pleasure. The work that you are doing, or the “coming to terms with this”, is very, very difficult. However, it’s the “real work” and is the only path to conscious evolution. And honestly, most people who visit this forum are facing the same or similar challenges. It’s very difficult and can be painful to look at oneself in an honest way because we see things we don’t like, and these things are not easy to change. This can cause us to feel bad about ourselves or even bring on depression.
I can tell by your response that you have seen some truth in yourself which is a very positive result. This achievement is very rare because the ego likes to step in and deny everything or make excuses for everything. You seem to have a handle on this which is awesome!
Don’t worry about time. The internal work you are doing takes years to be effective. It’s the same for all of us and is one of the reasons human evolution takes so long.
If you have any questions about your thinking or your journey, feel free to post them.
With warm regards and Salome,
Mike
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Hello Mike, I have seen your videos on YouTube and I like what you are doing, thank you. I must say that I don't know much about neutrality and I have some doubts about it.
In the video you indicate that "it's not what they say, it's how we react to it, and if we are neutral and don't have a reaction there is absolutely no problem"
What about those unconscious thoughts that we are not aware of? it seems that the only way to become aware of unconscious thoughts is when the emotion is already in our psyche, so our work begins with the neutralization and redirection of the thoughts.
On the other hand I wonder how it is possible to manage not to get emotionally involved and maintain neutrality considering what Billy writes here:
"The behavior of an individual is capable of being contagious to many others, because the human brain, respectively, the thoughts proceeding from out of the consciousness and the feelings resulting from them are capable of infecting one another.
"In fact, it is already enough with newspaper, radio and television broadcasts which describe such things, therefore human beings become infected by them and then correspondingly adjust their behavior."
"Consequently, the infections result through that views, opinions, thoughts, feelings, actions, deeds and other behaviors of other human beings are uncontrollably taken over, respectively, accepted and likewise carried out and nurtured."
Here I don't really understand how to implement this responsibility and self-control but it is very important to learn it to not to get infected
"And depending on how the human being perceives his or her self-responsibility and his or her self-control, the incubation period of the thought-feeling-virus-infestations lasts a shorter or longer time until the breaking-out."
Salome
Hi SG, Thank you for your post and questions.
As you stated, unconscious thoughts are thoughts that we are not conscious of. This means there is no possibility of recognizing them, identifying them, or otherwise consciously doing anything with them at all.
You said, “it seems that the only way to become aware of unconscious thoughts is when the emotion is already in our psyche…”. So, let me ask you a question (it’s rhetorical 
) – How do you know the emotion or feeling you are speaking of came from an unconscious thought? Unless you are so skilled and experienced in observing your thoughts, in understanding how and why they create the feelings they do and how the feelings create emotions, there is no way to know the emotion you are speaking of came from an unconscious thought. However, maybe you are very advanced and have a good command of these faculties. I don’t know you, so there is no way I could tell.
Focusing efforts on trying to recognize unconscious thoughts, at our level of evolution, is a waste of time. It would be much more advantageous and rewarding to begin to understand how thinking begins, what kinds internal and external influences contribute to thinking and what effects or processes follow thinking. This would be far more beneficial evolution wise than to chase unconscious thoughts, which is like looking for an invisible man.
Thank you for the quote from Billy. I don’t remember reading this, but I’ll assume it has been precisely translated into English with all of the proper meanings and nuances.
Billy is describing the influences we are all subject to each and every moment of our lives. Of course, the news media and social media and everything related impacts us. Other people influence us through their speech, thoughts, feeling and emotions. These things, and many other things, influence our thinking, feelings, emotions and behaviors. This is part and parcel of the internal work that we need to do. These things influence us – but they don’t have to. Or, in other words, you don’t have to “become infected”. This is one aspect of what I was talking about in the video when I said, “It’s not what they say, it’s how we react.” Does this provide any better explanation, or have I gone off the deep end?
To the core of your question:
If you don’t want to “become infected”, then learn about your thought process and specifically: learn how and why views, opinions, feelings, actions, and new media etc., affect you. Learn why you react as you do when these influences reach you. I think you will find, if you search your thinking honestly, that it’s you that is the reactionary force that needs to be tamed – not the external influences.
Does this answer your question or is there something I missed or that needs to be expanded upon?
Salome,
Mike
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Hi Mike thanks for your explanation.
I wanted to comment that I am using deepl translator, since I don't speak english very well.
As you point out, the important thing is "learn about your thought process and specifically: learn how and why views, opinions, feelings, actions, affect you."
So... once I identify what situations affect me, I must learn to process the information from another perspective because fundamentally nothing is completely negative or completely positive.
Just want to comment that regarding the acceptance that comes when we are not bothered by another person's behavior that you mention in the video, made me remember a booklet written by Billy, "Meditating on death is important" where the same logic also applies. The fact that we are going to die and that we can't do anything about it, just accept it.
But what can you say about the relationship between expectations and neutrality? I believe that expectations are an obstacle to neutrality. How can we learn to control our expectations?
When we are going to meet someone for the first time it is normal that we have some ideas, notions, assumptions, of how something is going to turn out, but in practice everything is different. I know that accepting that we cannot control everything around us is a first step.
I also think that practicing gratitude is very helpful, because every experience regardless the final result is valuable.
So, just as in death-meditation thoughts of acceptance are cultivated, what kind of thoughts should we meditate or cultivate in order to have a more neutral attitude, specifically in relation to expectations
Salome
SG Hi SG, Ok, thank you for letting me know you are using an online translator. I’ll keep my sentences short and simple to make them more “machine translatable”.
Point #1
You wrote: “The fact that we are going to die and that we can't do anything about it, just accept it.”
Yes, but there is much more to understanding death than just “accepting it”. When we simply accept something without thinking deeply about it, it is like giving up and not trying.
The real acceptance about death comes from an understanding about the cycle of life. When you imagine what you might feel like when a loved one dies. Or when you imagine what you might think or feel when you are on your death bed and death is moments away.
This imagining or thinking deeply about death and what it might be like – this begins to build an understanding. This starts down the path of understanding and acceptance.
Point #2
Yes, assumptions are an obstacle to neutrality. This is an important point, and you seem to understand it.
Your example of going to meet someone for the first time is a good example. You said, “It’s normal to have some assumptions”. That’s exactly what we are discussing, and it has to be un-learned.
When you start to have some ideas and notions about the coming meeting, explore those with your thinking but don’t form assumptions. It’s better to think, “it could be like this” or “It could be like that” but when you actually get to the meeting, then you place all that aside, and experience things AS THEY ARE.
This means not to bring your ideas and notions you thought of before to the foreground, so they shade or color everything in the present moment.
Point #3
You question: “What kind of thoughts should we meditate or cultivate in order to have a more neutral attitude, specifically in relation to expectations?”
The goal of meditation is the absence of thought. – I think this might be a translation problem or I don’t understand this point. Feel free to post a question on meditation here: https://forum.futureofmankind.co.uk/d/54-general-questions-on-the-spiritual-teaching
It’s not about what thoughts we should cultivate in order to be more neutral. It’s about understanding how our thinking works.
It’s about understanding what things make us react. It’s about understanding WHY we feel like we do when something makes us upset.
It’s not about changing our thinking. It’s about understanding our thinking.
I hope these answers are short and simple enough for deepl translator.
Salome,
Mike
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Hi Mike, Thank you for the clarifications to my questions, and above all considering that I am using a translator. 
If I'm honest with you, point number 1 and 2 were quite clear to me, I think "experience things AS THEY ARE." It is the most important thing regarding expectations, thanks for explaining it. 
However, in point 3 I think I cannot fully understand/grasp what you mention. Here you indicate that "It's about understanding how our thinking works. It's about understanding what things make us react. It's about understanding WHY we feel like we do when something makes us upset."
If I'm honest, I think I can't really understand why it's important identify the "WHY we think (or feel) the way we think, feel."
My interpretation is: when you say "why" you are looking for an answer, you are looking to understand a process of cause and effect. And there may well be thousands of different causes that generate a particular effect. Let's suppose that a person goes to the SSSC, and suddenly he/she feels very negative energies, or negative thoughts and she wants to attack Billy. She is aware that she is feeling negative, but understanding the why is not very helpful to her. (a reference to the evil energies, telenotic impulses, intentionally directed I believe by Giza intelligences to certain members or individuals in the past). Yes, it won't happen again. Example n2: You go to a church and you feel very bad without knowing why,(fluidal energies). I don't know if it helps to be neutral in those moments or to investigate why one feels like that.
So I think It is more useful consider that we can recognise or being AWARE that we are having a negative/positive reaction or a non-neutral approach to someone or something, and then correct it. It is as you indicate in post n 21 in relation to meditation and attention
"We recognize that our attention is not on the breath and bring our attention back to the breath to start over again. It’s similar in that our attention on neutrality"
Salome,
Sergio
Hi Sergio,
I think it is mentioned somewhere in the earlier contact reports or one of the books that your thoughts and the feelings arising from them must be constantly monitored to see of what kind they are, either positive, negative or neutral.
So, what you have said here:
"So I think It is more useful consider that we can recognise or being AWARE that we are having a negative/positive reaction or a non-neutral approach to someone or something, and then correct it."
This would seem to be correct with that in my view.
Paul Hi Paul,
Nice of you to post again. Thank you for your early discussions on this thread. It was helpful to kick things off.
SG: I completely agree with Paul.
Paul wrote: “I think it is mentioned somewhere in the earlier contact reports or one of the books that your thoughts and the feelings arising from them must be constantly monitored to see of what kind they are, either positive, negative or neutral.”
SG: If you deepL translate what Paul wrote above, what is your understanding of what he wrote?
He is 100% right on what you need to learn and then practice.
Thank you Paul for posting here again.
Salome,
Mike
SG Hi SG,
I am so happy!
You said, “If I'm honest, I think I can't really understand why it's important identify the "WHY we think (or feel) the way we think, feel."
Please let’s hold this question for a few days. I will answer it in a few days.
Please read Paul’s response to you and also may response to Paul and you. What do you understand about what he wrote?
Salome,
Mike
Hi 8877,
Thank you for posting and thank you for writing about what your experiences dictate to you. You have some interesting points of view that I hadn’t thought about before.
I like what you said here: “So do it your own way…” I think this way too.
Have you experienced shy, overcautious, overcareful, afraid even, stunting growth effect types of things or how do you know about it?
Thank you for starting an interesting discussion.
All the best,
Mike
Hi Mike and Sergio,
I found the reference for you.
Contact Report 10
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010
Hence, a self-analysis of the individual human being is one of the most essential methods for finding the truth and for going the way of the consciousness-based and spiritual evolution.
Thus, it is necessary that the human being continuously checks his/her thoughts and sees what kind they really are.
Also in narrated video form by:
FIGU-Interessengruppe für Missionswissen England
Title: Billy Meier: Introduction to the Spiritual Teaching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6aOtTkViqE
Paul and Daniel (8877),
I think this is important that we discuss your last 2 posts but not in the Discussion on Neutrality thread. I have posted a new discussion called “Thoughts and Feelings about Others” here: https://forum.futureofmankind.co.uk/d/75-thoughts-and-feelings-about-others
I hope you will both join me for a discussion there.
Salome,
Mike
Hi Mike,
There is no animosity from me however, I do not wish to talk about it any further as nothing useful will come from it.
That is all I have to say on the matter.
My apologies to you!
Paul