Well Jude, your accusations are hurtful as all I've ever presented on this forum is information from Billy and the Plejaren quoted from the Contact Reports, and all you and Arthur have done is ignore Billy's information about Pi and I'm just gently trying to steer you in the right direction and understand the truth according to Billy Meier, but you FIGU Radicals are obstinate like teenagers and refuse to listen, and show strange calculation that don't' make any sense. Its utter and total nonsense what you and Arthur are doing.

Just STOP lying to the FIGU Community and telling everyone the true and correct Pi=3.1446 when Billy Meier in CR 722 says the true and correct value is unknown to Earth humans due to our limited technology. STOP LYING to everyone and spreading your nonsense and perhaps, then, we can have a fresh start.

    Hush I still don't know who is radical in FIGU. You got me confused with your FIGU radicals propaganda. Who is radical in FIGU? You just do not make sense. Arthur presented evidences, Liddz brought forth evidences, I brought forth evidences and many more brought forth evidences, and all you've been presenting are rants about how the evidences are wrong but you are not actually showing anything to support that Pi=3.1415 is the Pi to use. Plus the fact that in the contact report they clearly say that this Pi=3.1415 is non-sense I do not even know why you are defending it instead of looking for the better version of it. I mean... seriously... let's be real... what have you presented so far? Why do you stand next to imperfection. CR 251 says that we will find the correct Pi eventually. Just to be clear... it says the correct value of Pi will eventually be found, implying that the current Pi, which you, like a suckling idiot, still absorb within your own self like it is the truth. But the fact that they say that we will find the correct value of Pi and that the search started since 1995 makes you look like a moron throughout the whole of the forum, because in reality, you look more like an hypocritical troll than anything else.

    However... it is the internet... I MAY be wrong about you! Maybe what you say may be true and that the true value of Pi is 3.1415... . Then by all means... show us all why 3.1415 is better than 3.1446.

    Take into consideration that if Pi 3.1415 is wrong... TRIGONOMETRY IS WRONG. So all angles are wrong. But you want to persist in saying that Pi=3.1415 is the correct value of Pi. Let me tell you this... I was in the meeting during the day when Todd B. was giving all the praise to 3.1415. I gave only a few comments on it then (since then) I haven't been in the meetings of FIGU Canada. Not because I do not like them. Nah. They are good people and I might scream within apocalyptical times and say "no I don't want to die" shitting my pants while destruction befalls us, but I'd rather die for them 777777 times than die for you thinking that you can play us like we are puppets in a circus.

    when i say wake up... I truly mean it... wake up... because you are only giving more to the agenda of those who would destroy us than giving more of the knowledge you posses in order for us to evolve forward.

    I am still asking you... aside from Jedi Reach who really f*** it up for us or rather for you, because now we need to be 777777 times careful because of you guys saying blocking knowledge like an obstacle.

    I do not hate you Hush. I just pity you. And it pisses me off. But it good talking to you because I barely have anyone to talk to.

    You seem like an intelligent dude (or dudette, in you are an actual female and not one of thos weird gender thing I'm still trying to wrap my head around)... Please test 3.1415 vs 3.1446 and do come back to us once you see what we actually all saw.

    Take into consideration that before I learned of Guido M. finding the value of Pi... I was already following Jain 108 years before. It is only in his book that I figured out that Billy Meier's (or rather Guido M.) Pi was the correct one.

    BUT I HAD TO PROVE IT TO MYSELF FIRST BEFORE I COULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT. THAT IS WHY I SAID AT THE BEGINNING THAT I DO NOT TALK OFTEN.

    Logic started to unfold itself in a matter of a moment. Whether I was blunted, drunk or sober... the knowledge was STILL THERE LIKE A SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE UNVEILED.

    whatever you say doesn't matter to me because the Truth is the Truth. Whether you want to accept it or not... I can only care so little, because Apophis is coming and it is CONFIRMED that pi 3.1415 will not save. Or maybe it won't... who knows... you tell... I'm just tired of listening to stupidity and ignorance. 48 years and all I'm hearing is ignorance this... stupidity that. It gets tiring to such a point it is unfathomable.

    AGAIN... UNLESS YOU SAY THAT PI (3.1415) CAN EVEN SQUARE THE CIRCLE... you jus make no sense : )

      Jude just Google the Internet you'll find literally hundreds of examples demonstrating why Pi = 3.14159. Every scientist, engineer and mathematician in the entire world knows Pi=3.1446 is a LIE. Billy Meier also confirmed Pi=3.1446 is a LIE, in CR 722 when he clearly states Earthly humans do not yet know the correct Pi value. The onus in upon the FIGU Radicals to prove Pi = 3.1446 but you will never succeed because such a proof doesn't exist, its literally impossible. That's why none of you FIGU Radicals have really been successful proving Pi = 3.1446 because if you were, the world would take notice. Basically Pi = 3.1446 is a complete a total fraud, and I'm here to make sure folks like you, don't wrongly influence the rest of the FIGU Community with this nonsense.

      Ptaah in CR 712, also states no one of Earth knows the true and correct Pi value. Ptaah goes on to clarify that the best estimate of true Pi is traditional Pi = 3.14159. One doesn't have to be a mathematician, (although it helps), just read the two most recent Contact Reports that discuss Pi, namely CRs 712 and 722, to really understand why the true value of Pi is unknown and that traditional Pi=3.14159 remains the best estimate of true Pi.

      I coined the term FIGU Radicals to describe anyone within the FIGU Community who persists in maintaining the true and correct Pi = 3.1446 contrary to the Contact Reports information about Pi, and contrary to every scientist, mathematician and engineer in the world who also knows Pi = 3.1446 is a LIE. So the onus is up to you FIGU Radicals to prove to the rest of the world Pi = 3.1446. If any of you were actually good in mathematics you'd stop trying to prove Pi = 3.1446 because you'd realize its impossible.

      Sorry I can't help you understand mathematics; you'll have work that out on your own. Good luck!

        Hush it's okay for you to apologize for your inability to do mathematics. And thanks for confirming that you are of no help at all.

          Arthur your results are clear and easy to follow. Typically once an anomaly, or a unverifiable assumption is detected, there is no point in proceeding further in the analysis review, as in this case with your first diagram! There is a grievous error by wrongly assuming the circumference of the circle / 4 = 1. NO proof has been provided to legitimize and validate this claim.

          The key challenge of trying to solve for Pi, is to prove there is a valid relationship between the circumference of a circle and a straight line segment however you've assumed this relationship before proving its valid which is incorrect.

          Harry physically measured Pi = 3.144 using a round wood disk, whereas Savio conducted the same experiment and measured Pi = 3.141 using a metal disk. There are a number of reasons why Harry over estimated Pi by 3 mm however the most probable is due to the wood contraction/expansion affected by Relative Humidity (RH) which has no affect on metal and likely why Savio's physical Pi measurement was accurate and a better strategy overall.

          One random paper on the subject of wooden expansion/contraction due to RH suggests that longitudinal expansion of between 0.1% to 0.2% may occur with a 6% change in RH (Fig 1). Therefore a physical measurement Pi = 3.144 occurs with a nominal 0.08% expansion of the wooden disk diameter longitudinally (Fig 2) well below the 0.1% to 0.2% threshold (Fig 2).

          I've heard the supposed story of 2 German engineers physically measuring Pi however this is nothing more than unverified hearsay. It might also be clarified an attempt to physically measure Pi is NOT proof Pi = 3.1446. To credibly prove Pi = 3.1446 requires using conventional mathematics, however this is an impossible task simply because PI = 3.1446 is impossible. That is why the FIGU Radicals avoid mathematics, and instead use pretty drawings (i.e. geometric math proofs) which can be easily faked, as a means of bypassing conventional mathematics, in order to falsify their Pi = 3.1446 proofs. This is the case in Harry Lear's geometric math proof where the Pi = 3.1446 was faked visually using pretty colored drawings, something he'd never get away with doing simply using conventional mathematics and putting the crayons away.

          The FIGU Radicals fascination trying to use Kepler's triangle and the Golden Ratio to prove Pi = 3.1446, fail to realize these are linear concepts. Therefore the key component of every faked Pi = 3.1446 proof is the assumption there is a relationship between Pi (curve) and Phi (linear) which has never been effective demonstrated only assumed. Even the drawing above of the circle and square together is based upon an Pi and Phi relationship but completely lacks adequate proof. You guys are completely wasting your time, just read the Contact Reports; Billy Meier and Ptaah in CR 712 and 722 are spot-on with everything they say about Pi.

          FIGURE 1

          FIGURE 2

            Hello Jude,

            Friendly advice, qualify your drawings with an explanation because whatever you are trying to highlight, demonstrate or prove, isn't clear. All the same, its a nice colorful drawing, and all your noted dimensions and angles are accurate. However please consider the following points:

            • The two drawings are identical varying only in scale. The top drawing, center black triangle, has a height of "2" whereas the second drawing the height was doubled to "4" otherwise there is no difference and the repetition makes no sense. The purpose/rationale for highlighting two drawings with identical geometry is unclear?
            • Both drawing show a square seemingly added arbitrarily with an unknown purpose. Let us call this the 'mystery square'.
            • The drawings, although accurate, prove nothing

            In order to solve for Pi its necessary to prove the relationship of a curve to a line. Without an explanation the goal or objective is unclear however would guess this is an attempt to imply that either the area or circumference of the circle is equal to the perimeter or area of the square highlighted as thick blue lines below. Although your drawings show circles and a square, you have not proven how the circumference or area of the circle is equal to the perimeter or area of the drawn square, if that's what you're trying to do. These drawings fail to prove Pi = 3.1446, as always!


              Hush it's ok. One day... You will see what we see. Until then... Ill leave you in your denial.

                Hush thanks. It's actually a new awakening. It's like looking at a subliminal image and uncovering it's true message. Once you have seen it, you can never unsee it. I hope you see it too.

                • Hush replied to this.

                    Maybe I'm wrong! Who knows? Oh! By the way... The square root of the square of 320 minus 8 is 3.14460551103.

                    Like a subliminal message 😊

                    Hello Jude,

                    Just realized your second drawing incorrectly shows that the internal triangle angles are equal however they are actually different as previously referenced in my response to Liddz and Arthur's faked Pi=3.1446 proof here. Essentially you've copied the same proof as Liddz and Arthur. Seems you guys all use the same bag of tricks.

                    Well if you can ever provide a credible valid proof Pi = 3.1446 then yes, look forward to that day when we see eye-to-eye on Pi however that day will never happen because you and the FIGU Radicals are attempting to prove the impossible and that is precisely why no one in the entire world is listening to this nonsense.

                    Arthur, your circle circumference equation is wrong lacking adequate proof. Its all fine and dandy to propose the circle circumference is based an assumed equation, however it is quite impossible to prove the equation is valid and accurate using mathematics which is precisely why the FIGU Radicals resort to endless streams of pretty colored pictures in order to fake their Pi = 3.1446 proofs.

                    Jude Andre Charles
                    Hello Jude if you learn to ignore the 'subliminal' images in your mind's eye, which is clouding your judgement, and focus more on mathematics, the truth traditional Pi = 3.14159 remains the best estimate of true Pi will be revealed, according to Ptaah in CR 712.

                      FIGU Radicals if I may offer some help proving the impossible, Pi = 3.1446. There is an interesting YouTube video channel, "The Gnostic Church and Academy of Lord Jesus Christ", and they've apparently discovered, that JESUS knew how to SQUARE the CIRCLE based on the Giza pyramid dimensions here. Hoping you find this useful although at no point during the 1-hour video does he credibly and accurately prove squaring the circle is valid. This Jesus guy refers to a Numberphile YouTube channel video about squaring the circle.

                      The Numberphile YouTube channel share their expertise in mathematics on various topics and they clearly explain the concept of "squaring the circle" which is to construct a square and circle with the same area but this is impossible. Numberphile explains that in 1882, it was discovered Pi is a 'Transcendental' number, meaning Pi is not an algebraic number, and therefore it is not-constructible and makes squaring the circle totally IMPOSSIBLE; similar to what I've been saying all along.

                      Hoping in some way this may help the FIGU Radicals with their never-ending quest attempting to prove the impossible Pi = 3.1446, which is like trying to rescue sailors who refuse to abandon their sinking ship. But I'm here to help and just throwing it out there. If interested, willing to help with coloring your fake Pi = 3.1446 drawings. I used to color a lot as a kid, but a little out-of-practice these days.

                      If I could just learn how to color better and help the FIGU Radicals with their fake Pi=3.1446 proof drawings to at least look better if nothing else. Harry, a self-proclaimed mathematician (which he isn't by the way), is at least good at coloring, as shown below in his faked Pi=3.1446 drawing. Harry's choice of colors; the yellow's and blues; well it all just looks really good, and curious if he may be interested in hosting online coloring classes, just don't know how to reach out to Harry to see if he would be interested in teaching?


                      Michael Horn recently posted a link to Harry's website in a June 2024 blog response to a "Pi" related question which suggests Michael and Harry are really good friends so perhaps Micheal, if he wouldn't mind, could reach out to Harry and find out if Harry is interested in hosting online coloring classes so more FIGU Radicals could pitch in and help fake the Pi=3.1446 proofs that look really really good?

                      If Michael Horn is sharing links to Harry's faked Pi=3.1446 proof website, obviously Michael agrees and sides with the FIGU Radicals and supports Harry's belief the true and correct Pi = 3.1446, contrary to Billy Meier's Contact Reports information in CR 722, where Billy makes it perfectly clear the true and correct Pi value is unknown, and contrary to Ptaah's statement in CR 712, which clearly states the true and correct Pi is unknown and that traditional Pi is the best estimate of true Pi.

                      [unknown] I suggest that we keep on exploring 3.144606. We already know how flawed 3.14159265359 is, so we can safely ignore Hush's rambles and continue finding more out of 3.144606.

                      Hush has a right to have his own opinion. But at the end, opinions are always wrong.

                      [unknown]
                      Arthur excellent copy of another person's drawing, you've earned a 'well done' star but it could really use some color. Hope you will be signing up for Harry Lear's coloring classes. Small tip, if you're going to simply copy someone else, just do a screen capture, way faster than redrawing it. Better yet, instead of wasting time reproducing other people's drawings, go back to school and learn mathematics and then you'll understand why Pi =3.1446 is impossibly too big. I'm surrounded by amateurs (lol).