Can NASA even calculate if Apophis will hit Earth in 2029 or 2036?

[Hush]

Hey there Kelsey and Sal,

Sal again with the 'rage' - too funny. Please look it up the definition of rage and then come back here and report what you discovered, but you'll find it has nothing to do with this issue.

Say Kelsey What pray-tell have I stated is inaccurate for example huh? I mean why dance around TRUTH and realize the simple fact Christian Frehner and Michael Horn LIED to the FIGU Community foolishly endorsing and promoting the American 'know-it-all' Harry Lear's LIE True Pi=3.1446 which directly contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports, which I might add, you now admitted and also agree true Pi is UNKNOWN, thanks to my insight.

Recall in your very first post how you proposed the validity of True Pi=3.1446 no doubt thanks to the nonsense lies spread by Christian Frehner and Michael Horn but, when I lead you to the truth in Billy Meier's Contact Reports, oh now you finally got it and understood the Truth. hmmm imagine that, you're welcome. Don't be afraid of the Truth Kelsey, and let the big boys call out the FIGU spokesperson LIARS if you haven't got the cahones.

Get your facts straight, I never stated the FIGU was a cult, I said what primarily separates FIGU from cults is the adherence to the TRUTH and HONESTY which Christian Frehner and Michael Horn disrespect by their LIES.

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

Hey Hush,

I feel like your reply is filled with a lot of negativity and broad statements that aren’t grounded in reality. Saying that Christian Frehner and Michael Horn “lied” is inaccurate — they made a mistake regarding the True Pi number, and that’s all. Mistakes happen; it’s not evidence of a conspiracy or intentional deception. From my understanding, Guido was the first person to discuss 3.1446 at FIGU, not Harry Lear, so attributing it solely to him is also misleading.

Additionally, it seems like your comments imply that FIGU is comparable to a cult, which I strongly disagree with. You repeatedly frame the situation as though FIGU spokespersons who made errors are acting like cult leaders — emphasizing their “silence,” reluctance to admit mistakes, and how they allegedly manipulate followers. For example, you write that Christian Frehner’s response “is very cult-like whereby rather than simply admit to having made a mistake… he implies we should be grateful for his article to expand our personal growth.” Statements like this suggest that FIGU as an organization bears cult-like characteristics, even though its foundation is clearly based on truth and honesty.

Promoting independent thinking and encouraging members to verify and study for themselves is the opposite of cult-like behavior. Using phrases like “I led you to the truth” or implying that your guidance solves a problem also gives off a self-aggrandizing tone — almost as if you’re trying to shine in all joy and glory, rather than simply share insights. That kind of approach can come across as narcissistic and is better addressed through reflection and meditation, rather than asserting authority over others.

My point here is simply that FIGU, as an organization, is not a cult. Mistakes in interpretation or discussion do not justify broad accusations or labeling people as liars. Let’s focus on clarity, accuracy, and respect in our conversation.

— Kelsey

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

Hush, I think a bigger question here is: What does it mean for us, as students of the teaching, when errors or misunderstandings appear? Do we treat them as signs of deception, or do we use them as opportunities to sharpen our own discernment? If the spirit teaching emphasizes self-responsibility and independent verification, then isn’t the real value in discovering and correcting mistakes ourselves — without needing to frame others as liars or enemies?

To me, the danger isn’t in a misstep by Christian, Michael, or anyone else; the danger is in allowing ego, distrust, or the need to “be right” to overshadow the process of calmly working toward truth. When accusations take center stage, the focus shifts away from the material itself and toward personalities — and that’s where learning can stall.

So maybe the more productive path is to ask: How can we encourage a culture where mistakes are openly acknowledged, examined, and corrected — without attaching shame, blame, or self-aggrandizement? That seems much closer to the kind of honest and reflective dialogue that FIGU, and the teaching itself, is really about.

[Hush]

oh Kelsey,

Ive never heard anyone refer to the TRUTH as negativity? Perhaps you're familiar with the expression the "TRUTH HURTS" which aptly applies in this case. There can be no room for lies within the FIGU, opinions are perfectly acceptable, but not lies.

Technically yes Christian Frehner and Michael Horn LIED to the FIGU Community, lets not mince words, because what they claimed is NOT TRUE from Billy Meier's Contact Report ok - understand? Now it would be quite easy to dismiss this as an honest mistake if, once they realized their error, had responded correctly and truthfully and posted a redaction of their false claim True Pi=3.1446, but they both remain silent, to this day, and isn't their behavior rather peculiar, when they have an opportunity to right their wrong, they remain so completely indifferent.

So let me be clear, its not getting facts wrong that is such a big deal, because we're human, we all make mistakes, but acknowledge their mistake and right the wrong for having spread false and incorrect information to the FIGU Community is what is really at the heart of the matter.

Can you phantom why two FIGU spokespersons refuse to acknowledge they're sorry for spreading the True Pi=3.14469 LIE to the FIGU Community, and refuse to admit they made a mistake, but prefer instead to let their LIES fester and propagate within the FIGU Community and take no action to correct their wrong - huh? I mean what's wrong with these two FIGU spokespersons? How can anyone trust someone like that?

It is because of Christian's and Michael's True Pi=3.1446 LIE, which they both collaborated and propagated to the FIGU Community, which persists to this day, is precisely why in your first post you considered the validity of True Pi=3.1446. Imagine for example if Christian Frehner did the honest and responsible thing and redacted his 2017 FIGU Sign of the Times article which falsely claims Harry Lear solved the True and Correct Pi=3.1446, then it would help put an end to the True Pi=3.1446 nonsense he started wouldn't it? I mean it would be over because Christian could further point to the Contact Reports articles that prove what he wrote was incorrect and that he made a grievous mistake. Then all would be fine and good, and I could delete all my posts because they would no longer be relevant.

But Christian Frehner says nothing, in fact when questioned, his response is rather arrogant implying we should cherish his wisdom of his article as way to rekindle the embers, as if he's some kind of guru, whose never wrong or makes mistakes, always wise, and knowing, and everything he says are like pearls of wisdom we should cherish even when its a proven LIE - too funny. Truth is Christian made a huge mistake, turned out to be a big-bad LIE and he's either too coward or proud, or his FIGU core ego is too inflated to admit he made a mistake or all of the above.

The cult analogy is appropriate because cult-leaders are experts in lying. Christian Frehner and Michael Horn LIED to the FIGU Community, so their behavior is cult-like so very simple basic logic to follow. Let me further clarify, lying is cult-like, honesty and the truth is FIGU like ok. So if a FIGU spokespersons LIES to the FIGU Community and does nothing to correct their mistake, its cult-like behavior that's the simple truth/fact.

Lets not get too lost in the details in all this, the simple fact is that Christian Frehner and Michael Horn told a lie, perhaps unintentionally, but a LIE none-the-less, and this LIE negatively impacts the FIGU Community who trusted true Pi=3.1446 and look like fools sharing this information with academia, and both Christian and Michael refuse to acknowledge their mistake.

If Christian and Michael made it clear they believed True Pi=3.1446 and as their own opinion that would be infinity better, but Christian's 2017 Sign of the Times article foolishly presents Harry Lear's True P=3.1446 LIE as FACT. Why you or anyone from the FIGU Community would disagree with me clarifying the TRUTH and side with two proven LIARS Christian Frhener and Michael Horn is ridiculous. If Christian and Michael offer you kool-aide don't drink it (LOL), and question everything they say. As I've previously stated Billy Meier's words can be trusted to be honest and tell the truth but question everyone else including the FIGU Core. This will become more relevant when Billy is gone.

Guido I have a lot of respect for because he never claimed True Pi = 3.1446 but he was clever and curious and why he asked Billy to run his calculation past the Plejaren for comment and that was the end of it. Harry however arrogantly and boastfully claims he's calculated the True and Correct Pi=3.1446 and he's been good at influencing many naive and gullible folks within the FIGU Community including Christian Frehner and Michael Horn. Harry is the Pied-Piper of True Pi=3.1446. In fact it wouldn't surprise me in the least if both Christian Frehner and Michael Horn still actually believe True Pi=3.1446 in spite of Billy Meier's Contact Reports to the contrary.

[Hush]

Hello Kelsey,

Well its a great question:

So maybe the more productive path is to ask: How can we encourage a culture where mistakes are openly acknowledged, examined, and corrected — without attaching shame, blame, or self-aggrandizement? That seems much closer to the kind of honest and reflective dialogue that FIGU, and the teaching itself, is really about.

In my opinion, the issue is all about ego and a good FIGU Spokespersons should have a little humility. You see Christian is kind of a celebrity within the FIGU Community; trusted, knowledgeable, and some consider wise, not me but others consider Christian all-knowing. Christian is a go to person trusted to answer any questions related to understanding Billy Meier's teachings. I've heard him described as Billy's right hand-man. Billy should be so lucky to have someone so dedicated to help out with the FIGU and its Mission.

But for Christian Frehner, a FIGU Core member to have been caught red-handed wrongly spreading the True Pi=3.1446 LIE in an official FIGU publication is not an easy pill for Christian the infallible to swallow so how might he react? I mean this is quite a blow to his ego if word got out and the truth be told. Christian obviously knows he really screwed up spreading the True Pi=3.1446 LIE to the FIGU Community in an official FIGU publication, but rather than admit it, its better if the whole incident would just disappear, then Christian and Michael wouldn't have to admit to making a mistake, wouldn't have to admit to lying to the FIGU Community, no need to accept responsibility.

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

This thread has veered far from its purpose. It’s now filled with unnecessary speculation and accusations that have little to do with the Future of Mankind website or the spiritual teaching itself.
Yes, people are human—even Billy, Michael, and Christian—and at some point, a simple mistake may have occurred. That doesn’t equate to dishonesty. It simply means they moved on without dwelling on it. No one is “running around claiming Pi is solved” from the rooftops. It was a passing topic, not a central teaching.
Mistakes are understandable. What’s not understandable is ignoring the spiritual teaching in favor of nitpicking and accusing people of lying when no lie has ever been proven. That kind of approach isn’t helpful—it just breeds unnecessary negativity.
Michael and Christian likely believed they were publishing something of value. That’s not a money grab or a conspiracy. They may have even acknowledged the error later. Instead of making hostile assumptions, someone could simply message them and ask.
It’s one thing to politely point out an error and encourage clearer thinking. It’s something else entirely to accuse people of being liars without evidence. At that point, the accuser starts to resemble the very “know-it-all” they claim to criticize.

[Hush]

Lets be perfectly clear,

In your very first post you proposed True Pi=3.1446 was VALID and I responded in kind as someone who respects the TRUTH, and pointed you in the right direction to the relevant Contact Report references where Billy Meier clearly states True Pi is UNKNOWN which proved FIGU spokerspersons Christian Frehner and Michael Horn were spreading a LIE claiming Harry Lear had solved the True and Correct Pi=3.1446. So now you understand the truth - you're welcome.

However it was you and others in this forum topic who kept raising the issue of the True Pi=3.1446 LIE to which I've addressed so its not my fault you and others keep raising the subject of True Pi=3.1446 but as long as anyone in this forum proposes True Pi=3.1446 is VALID, it warrants my response to stand for the TRUTH and correct this LIE which was irresponsibly spread and originated by Christian Frehner, FIGU Core guru, who published an article in an official FIGU publication, FIGU Sign of the Times #77, foolishly claiming Harry Lear had solved the True and Correct Pi=3.1446, which is a LIE, and has done nothing to prevent the FIGU Community from believing this nonsense.

So simply stop mentioning the validity of True Pi=3.1446 anywhere in this forum topic or under any other forum topic, and you will not hear a peep out of me, but as soon as someone brings up the True Pi=3.1446 nonsense, as you had in your very first post, it will warrant my response.

Judas Iscariot is the author of the Talmud Jmmanuel which documents Jmmanuel's TRUTH however Christian religious leaders responsible for protecting and preserving the TRUTH actually introduced LIES, changing the intent of Jmmanuel's teachings. These Christian religious scholars ignored Jmmanuel's teachings and boldly and brazenly planted their OPINIONS as FACTS into Christian doctrine to sway their parishioners into believing their LIES including, of all things, changing Jmmanuel's name to JESUS which has transcended centuries and become apart of false "Christian" doctrine.

And now we see this same practice happening within FIGU when a trusted FIGU Core guru, "Christian" Frehner, in league with Michael Horn and Harry Lear, published an official FIGU article in Sign of the Times #77, falsely stating his OPINION as a FACT, that Harry Lear discovered the True and Correct Pi=3.1446 which directly contradicts information in Billy Meier's Contact Reports #251, #712 & #722. And Christian Frehner pulled this off without any resistance from anyone within the FIGU Community right in front of us, before our very eyes and while Billy was alive. Talk about brazen, you've been warned.

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

It’s disappointing to see someone resort to mocking infographics instead of reasoned discussion — that only distracts from the actual topic and makes any genuine exchange impossible.
People make mistakes. That doesn’t make them liars, and it certainly doesn’t make every error part of some conspiracy. Treating honest errors as deliberate deception ignores the very principles the spiritual teaching encourages us to uphold: clear thinking, fairness, and respectful dialogue.
Because of this, I would prefer you not reply to my posts again. I have no interest in engaging further when the conversation is reduced to ridicule and repeated accusations rather than constructive discussion.

[Hush]

oh so this is a warning is it Kelsey,

Do you feel you have complete jurisdiction and authority over a forum topic able to dictate when someone of good conscious chooses of their own free will to provide comment and bring attention to wrongdoings perpetrated by supposedly trusted FIGU Spokespersons Christian Frehner and Michael Horn who carelessly and wrongly spread the True Pi=3.1446 LIE to the FIGU Community and refuse to acknowledge their mistake and so their lie continues to fester and infect the FIGU Community as you yourself know as your very first post entertained True Pi=3.1446 because of their misdirection, yet I helped you find the TRUTH in Billy Meier's Contact Reports - you're welcome. So lets just leave it at that, however if you or anyone in this forum again reintroduce True Pi=3.1446 is VALID, then I will exercise my right as a human being interested learning, sharing respecting and fighting for the TRUTH to correct wrongs.

The posters are kind of cute though and focus on the original Pi=3.1446 concept an item you raised in your very first post, however if you find them unappealing, please identify any specific details in any of the posters that is FALSE, INCORRECT, INACCURATE or WRONGLY stated.

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

Hush, You’ve misread my intentions. I’m not claiming “jurisdiction” over anyone — I’m setting a personal boundary for my own participation in this discussion. Your repeated accusations, refusal to seek clarification, and use of hostile infographics make it clear you’re not here to discuss in good faith.
Your tone and repeated hostility make further exchange unproductive, so I will be blocking you and will not see or respond to anything you post going forward. This forum benefits far more from constructive dialogue than from personal attacks or unfounded accusations. Consider this my final word on the matter.