Can NASA even calculate if Apophis will hit Earth in 2029 or 2036?

[sal]

Perhaps video below might be of help - Occam's razor principle - simplest explanation is usually the best fit. Gravitational keyhole and other factors are likely the influential factors in Aphophis trajectory (video covers this later around 44:30):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KmE1I2yQM

My interactions with Christian F and Mike H have been positive. From my perspective, these folks are not materialistic (compared to the average sample of humanity I have interacted with).

How one perceives them might be a reflection of their own experience with others which might be projected onto them (like lot of interaction with "liars" - what is the driving cause of those liars? materialistic desires?).

As a wise person said, stay neutral-positive

[Hush]

Well one would hope what matters and is important within the FIGU is sharing the TRUTH, being honest, and when mistakes are made, even unintentionally, a good responsible human being, would admit if they were wrong once they became aware, particularly if the LIES being spread might have a negative effect on others who trusted the information. For example a FIGU Community member who trusts Christians FIGU Sign of the Times #77 article stating the True and Correct Pi=3.1446, then approaches an academic with this information to warn them of Apophis, would not be taken seriously and dismissed and in the worse case ridiculed for having trusted the false information spread by FIGU spokespersons. So you see, this is not good.

So Christian Frehner and Michael Horn, two FIGU spokerspersons, stood-up and accepted the challenge of spreading Billy Meier's TRUTH and took it seriously I mean they do this pretty much full time, but somehow they got their truth-wires crossed when it came to True Pi, and although neither of them are experts in math, none-the-less, started spreading Harry Lear's True Pi=3.1446 LIE to the FIGU Community, and have absolutely nothing to say for themselves, and their silence is truly quite remarkable. All they had to do was read and understand Billy Meier's CR 251, where he states very clearly I might add, that Earth's brilliant scientists will solve the error in Pi while trying to save our dying Sun, and, not only is Harry Lear not a scientist, he doesn't have even have a university degree, and our Sun is not currently dying. I mean why two spokespersons of FIGU trusted Harry Lear over Billy Meier is dumbfounding.

How anyone, particularly two trusted FIGU spokespersons, who lack a good conscious, could be so callous, remorseless, and indifferent to lying and spreading false information still causes problems to this day as folks within the FIGU Community continue to believe and promote the True Pi=3.1446 LIE, even though its plainly obvious from Billy Meier's Contact Reports True PI=3.1446 is a LIE.

So although each and every one is responsible for developing their own understandings of the truth, it sure doesn't help when two trusted FIGU spokespersons are responsible for spreading LIES to the FIGU Community and have nothing to say for themselves as a result, so yeah, perhaps the Truth is kind of important to the FIGU and its Mission or so one would think, but perhaps by Christian Frehner's and Michael Horn's actions, maybe the TRUTH is more of a side-line, sort of a kind of a gray area subject to interpretation, you know neither here nor there, like the way Christian Frehner, FIGU Core member, author of the FIGU Sign of the Times #77 article, stated his opinion True Pi=3.1446 as a fact to the FIGU Community, and then responds to the false statements nonchalantly accepting no responsibly for the LIES he's responsible for spreading to the FIGU Community, yeah so what (LOL).

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

Thank you all for expressing your concerns so thoroughly. I agree — truthfulness, accountability, and clarity are essential within the FIGU community, especially when it comes to topics that can influence how others perceive and share the mission. The True Pi=3.1446 claim has certainly caused confusion, and I understand how frustrating it must be when trusted spokespersons like Christian Frehner and Michael Horn present such information as fact, only for it to later be revealed as inconsistent with Billy Meier’s own statements in CR 251, 712, 722.

That said, I also try to approach these situations with a bit of grace. Christian and Michael are human beings, not encyclopedias of all FIGU material, and certainly not mathematicians. It’s understandable how they might have trusted someone who seemed sincere — especially when that person was echoing ideas that appeared to align with Guido Moosbrugger’s earlier research. Mistakes happen, even in the pursuit of truth.

Would it help if they issued a follow-up clarification? Definitely. I haven’t personally come across one, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. FIGU’s publications are vast, and I’m not a walking dictionary of their work either. It’s entirely possible that Christian or Michael have made statements elsewhere — perhaps in an interview, article, or forum post — acknowledging that the true value of Pi has not yet been discovered, and that the search continues. If so, I’d be very interested in reading it.

In fact, I think this whole situation could be a spark — not just for correcting a past error, but for reigniting curiosity and deeper inquiry into the nature of Pi itself. Billy’s statements in CR 251 suggest that the true value will only be uncovered through advanced scientific efforts tied to solar research. That’s a fascinating clue, and one that invites us to think beyond conventional mathematics and into the realm of future discovery.

For my part, I try to remain neutral-positive. There’s a treasure trove of priceless information in the FIGU material, and I don’t want one misstep to overshadow the broader mission. I make mistakes all the time — we all do. What matters is how we respond, how we learn, and how we continue to seek truth with humility and care.

[Arthur]

Hi Arthur,
Thanks for your thoughtful post—there’s a lot to unpack here, and I appreciate your effort to bridge physical measurement, Plejaren cosmology, and the broader implications for consciousness and technology.

Going back to the 7th levels of matter.

Today with EDM technology, Electrical Discharge Machining we can go to micrometer, millionth of a meter, µm or even 0.01µm (10 nanometer).

https://www.makino.com/en-us/machine-te ... edm/upn-01

See the result :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYoL70mR-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGrx29XR4Q

Our computer processors lithography today are at best 2 nanometer.
The atom, the first level of matter we know (the 7th in fact) is at pico meter (thousandth of nanometer).
And we only know the 7, 6 and 5th levels of matter.

[sal]

That said, I also try to approach these situations with a bit of grace. Christian and Michael are human beings, not encyclopedias of all FIGU material, and certainly not mathematicians. It’s understandable how they might have trusted someone who seemed sincere — especially when that person was echoing ideas that appeared to align with Guido Moosbrugger’s earlier research. Mistakes happen, even in the pursuit of truth.

You in my opinion are on the course of evolving in right direction. As a wise person said, only minority of minority absorbs and carries out the teaching correctly.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy ... 6nnte%20ja

[Hush]

I'm sure many within the FIGU Community who trust Billy Meier's message of truth, are aware folks outside the community dismiss FIGU as a cult organization. Afterall there are similarities, like in a cult Billy's teachings contradict conventional wisdom and knowledge but what fundamentally separates FIGU from a cult is FIGU's strict adherence to honesty and the TRUTH. FIGU is founded upon the principle of TRUTH and HONESTY whereas a cult organization is lead by the cult-leaders lies and deception.

Now the Plejaren and Billy Meier were very smart to publish Contact Reports because they are an invaluable reference of Billy's documented knowledge that keeps anyone within the FIGU Community honest and truthful should they contradict Billy's information and start spreading LIES or falsely claiming their opinion as fact which happened with Christian Frehner who authored an official FIGU article falsely stating his opinion True Pi=3.1446 as fact which directly contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports information about Pi.

Without Billy Meier's Contact Reports Christian Frehner would have easily gotten away with spreading his LIE to the FIGU Community. What is surprising however is that Christian's LIE, True Pi=3.1446 still persists which is truly odd that folks within the FIGU Community still believe Christian Frehner's nonsense claim Harry Lear had proven True Pi=3.1446 in 2017 when Billy Meier in 2019 clearly states True Pi is UKNOWN. So thank god for Billy Meier's Contact Reports which keeps even members of the FIGU Core from getting away with spreading LIES to the FIGU Community.

So if not for the invaluable information in the Contact Reports about Pi, I would never have discovered Christian Frehner's and Michael Horn's deception promoting Harry Lear's True Pi=3.1446 LIE to the FIGU Community and particularly when its become obvious that both FIGU spokerspersons caught spreading the True Pi=3.1446 LIE have demonstrated by their behavior of silence, are most interested in keeping this lie suppressed and trivialized.

However Christian's and Michael's behavior, having been caught red-handed lying to the FIGU Community rather than simply admit they made a mistake and would like to correct their wrong, respond in a typical cult-leader fashion. Similar to cult-leaders, they refuse to admit their mistake, because its more important, as a cult leader, to project and protect they are infallible all-knowing (know-it-all) human beings, and don't focus on our LIES, no we should be humbled by their knowledge and wisdom which builds to preserve trust among the cult followers. That's what its all about in cult, really good cult-leaders who know how to lie and fool everyone.

But FIGU isn't a cult right, its founded upon the TRUTH and HONESTY which separates FIGU from cults, but wait a minute, two FIGU Spokerspersons were caught spreading a LIE to the FIGU Community, and the LIE directly contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports, and the LIE could potentially negatively impact the FIGU Community if they believed Christian Frehner's and Michael Horn's True Pi=3.1446 LIE, so what has happened to FIGU foundation of TRUTH and HONESTY which separates FIGU from cults if trusted FIGU spokerspersons Chrsitian Frehner and Michael Horn spread the True Pi=3.1446 LIE? This is very culty behavior for FIGU spokerspersons who when caught lying to the FIGU Community, find it just way too hard to admit they were wrong, oh my god Hush just leave us alone already, lettuce lie in peace (LOL).

In KelseyBryantAnthis inquiry regarding why Christian promoted Harry Lear's True Pi=3.1446 LIE to the FIGU Community in an official FIGU publication, Christian's response is very cult-like whereby rather than simply admit to having made a mistake, which would be the correct and honest FIGU thing to do, Christian implies we should be grateful for his article to expand our personal growth and "rekindle the embers" to think anew which is the type of response one might expect from a cult-leader who cleverly turns a LIE into a fantastic learning experience and apparently we should be grateful that he LIED to us from which we may all learn a valuable lesson:

My article can be looked at as a means to "rekindle the embers"

How about this Christian, why not simply admit it was wrong to publish an article in an official FIGU publication falsely claiming Harry Lear had discovered the TRUE Pi = 3.1446 which is LIE, in the fist place, you'd be doing us all a favor, and its the honest thing to do. And maybe before you decide to publish false claims, you should first verify if the information you're publishing contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports first huh? I mean how could you, as a FIGU Core Member, publish a Pi LIE falsely stating Harry Lear discovered the True Pi=3.1446 and not be aware of Billy Meier's CR 251 where Billy states Earth scientists discover the True and Correct Pi trying to save our dying Sun using an instrumentarium not yet invented? Maybe Christian you need to go back to FIGU Core school and learn that you shouldn't contradict Billy Meier's Contact Reports as a FIGU Core member - you think? Isn't that better than lying to us; the FIGU Community? You see you're not a cult-leader so we don't feel blessed by your all knowing wisdom telling us we should use your True Pi=3.1446 LIE false claim to expand our knowledge for person growth - jeppers-creepers man.

Christian Frehner and Michael Horn are human being smucks just like the rest of us, and like the rest of us they also make mistakes, yet I've never heard either admit to ever making a mistake and they've made plenty I can assure you. Christian Frehner and Michael Horn why play pretend, like you're superior, infallible, beyond reproach, heck you're just as human of Earth like the rest of us saps, so stop acting like cult-leaders, admit you were wrong promoting Harry Lear's True Pi=3.1446 LIE, which directly contradicts Billy Meier's Contact Reports, and stand up for the truth, what's wrong with both of you for crying out loud? Hiding behind your LIES is giving FIGU a bad name (LOL).

[sal]

Lot of rage in there. I find this helpful when I am in similar situation - my goal is to reduce such situations to near zero:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy ... r_and_Rage

[Hush]

oh Sal,

How can you confuse rage with the Truth? Try to appreciate there is a big difference between your choice of words "rage" which is uncontrollable violence, a very intense word choice by the way, and honestly and truthfully calling out Christian Frehner, a FIGU Core member and Michael Horn, American representative to Billy Meier Contacts, for lying to the FIGU Community, however both seem to have misplaced their good conscious, probably swept under the carpet, and show a little respect, integrity, sprinkled with some good old fashion Earth human humility and remorse and simply admit lying is bad ok, and being honest is good ok (said like Mr. Mackey on South Park), which is a basic right/wrong principle even kids understand but here we have FIGU spokespersons who still haven't figured out the basics of good honest human behavior but rather condone lying to the FIGU Community. These FIGU spokespersons were caught red-handed lying to the FIGU Community and have nothing to say for themselves like cult-leaders whose strength is misdirecting their loyal cult followers using clever lies. That's what separates FIGU from cults, honesty and truthfulness.

Unbelievably while Billy Meier is still alive, we have FIGU spokerspersons Christian Frehner and Michael Horn, caught lying to the FIGU Community, abandoned Billy Meier's truth published in the Contact Reports and instead foolishly promoted and supported a 'know-it-all' American LIAR Harry Lear's foolish claim that he discovered True Pi=3.1446 and Harry's letter to President Trump he falsely states Billy Meier and the Plejaren endorsed hisTrue Pi=3.1446 lie, and so Christian Frehner and Michael Horn both endorse, support and promoted Harry Lear's LIE True Pi=3.1446 to the FIGU Community when Billy Meier states True Pi is UNKNOWN, and neither one of them have apologized - that's all.

This is not a big deal really if you condone lying from FIGU spokespersons Christian Frehner and Michael Horn. But imagine if lies are being spread now by trusted FIGU spokespersons, while Billy is still alive, the FIGU and its MIssion are likely doomed when he is gone as this bad habit of lying by FIGU spokespersons continues if people like Christian Frehner and Michael Horn who have been caught lying, continue to just say whatever they want to the FIGU Community and not held accountable.

Because two FIGU spokesperson proven liars, falsely claimed True Pi=3.1446, and have shown absolutely no remorse for spreading their lies to the FIGU Community, their silence has made sharing the Truth and correcting their lie, impossible. You see everyone trusts Christian and Michael, they're like gods within the FIGU Community, so when they lie, it carries a lot of weight and discovered no one was interested in the Truth after Christian and Michael spread their True Pi=3.1446 lie to the FIGU Community. I was simply trying to share the truth to the FIGU Community, trying to let everyone know Christian and Michael, neither of whom are math experts, got their fact wrong, true Pi=3.1446 is physically impossible, true Pi is UNKNOWN, but everyone in FIGU were fooled by Christian's and Michael's lies true Pi=3.1446 so correcting their LIE proved to be an impossible task and the main point here is that it shouldn't be so hard to share the truth to the FIGU Community, but it was. Please recognize when trusted FIGU spokespersons LIE everyone tends to believe them so they need to be held accountable and they should be responsible.

From my perspective, Billy Meier is really the only one who may be trusted and is honest and truthful, especially after this episode whch reveals not even the FIGU Core can be trusted to be truthful. After exposing their lies, and refusing to apologize, I wouldn't trust Christian Frehner nor Michael Horn any further than I could throw them.

[sal]

Now I wonder what is the cause of that rage? Perhaps one of the following:
a) Envy, jealousy - like perceiving someone as teacher's pet There have been several examples of these in past. Quite common in current state of humanity.
b) Being paid by external parties to sow "seeds of doubts" against a few well known names. Earn some trust by praying someone like Billy. Everything is energy transformation. Typically, when lot of energy is directed at some thing, there is money behind it - current proxy for energy - one spends it to get housing, food, transportation etc. Ads, "paid campaigns", propaganda etc. - these are all driven by money, favorite energy token of anti-logos.
c) Degeneration of consciousness through rumination down a wrong path because of some kind of past traumas/negative experiences. Thoughts are very powerful indeed. You seem to be experiencing the power of your thoughts, in negative-wise. From what I have observed so far, this is a major characteristic of cult leaders too - very focused messaging because of power of negative thoughts. One may see reflection of self in others.

As a wise person said, stay neutral-positive And as the "Goblet of Truth" too correctly advises in my opinion - only you can help yourself:
540) Truly, without constant motion in every respect of the good and positive there is no stability for you in your existence; and truly, you cannot bask in the glow of your ancestors, because instead of glow there was blindness amongst them too just as there is amongst you, therefore you must first bring everything to glow and polish it up; thereby each one of you stands for himself or herself, because the wife cannot do anything for her husband nor can he do anything for her, so the children cannot do anything for their parents nor the parents for their children, just as no fellow human being can do anything for the other one, because each one of you must do everything in and for himself or herself alone, because each one of you only has his or her present to himself or herself; and that you fall into rumination over this and over yourselves does not bring any benefit for you, because you only have to recognise that everything is anchored in this wise in the effects of the creational laws and recommendations which corresponds to the strength of the character and of all virtues of the Creation Universal Consciousness, so that each one of you and each life form in general has exactly the same rights and his or her own responsibility to bear just like everyone else; so you shall not fall in senseless rumination over this, but instead each one of you shall turn to the unchangeable truth as it is pre-given through the Creation and its laws and recommendations.

https://www.gobletofthetruth.org/post/c ... 28-501-583

Stay neutral-positive We have infinite evolution ahead of us. All of this is just a vanishingly small happening in infinite path of life.

And in case the cause is b), no worries Every one evolves towards neutral-positive. That infinite creation-energy will make sure of it - this is immutable law. Three-letter agencies are temporary ripple, a matter of remembrance in the future history of mankind - there is no positive without negative. There is no evolution if positives and negatives didn't exist. This conjugate principle is one of the laws of creation. Interactions with such agents of negative energies strengthen us. And those agents also evolve by interaction with positive energies.

[KelseyBryantAnthis]

I do not think most of what you brought up here, Hush, is anywhere close to accurate. Calling the Pi situation a “lie” is not correct — it was a misunderstanding, not a deliberate attempt to deceive anyone. FIGU is nowhere near a cult. In fact, one of the core strengths of FIGU is that it encourages independent thinking and personal discernment. Promoting questioning, learning, and careful evaluation of information is exactly the opposite of cult-like behavior.

I’ve spent a lot of time reading your comments, and I must say that this continual negativity is unfounded and a waste of time. It doesn’t contribute to productive discussion. I’d hope we can move toward thoughtful, respectful dialogue rather than continually framing situations in extreme, accusatory terms.