Beginning Meditation

Daniel

Mike Whelan Hi Mike. Thanks for replying.
In question 1 I meant that:
Yes, I understand that you have to keep your attention only on the breath. Rather, on the air going in and out of the nostrils. However, when one's attention is on the air going in and out of the nostrils, that makes one relax and, at least in my case, that makes my breathing very slow and inhaling very little oxygen. When I exhale, it takes 3 to 5 seconds before I inhale again, and inhaling little oxygen. That makes the body at some point need oxygen and makes a "sigh".
Is that normal in meditation when the attention is on the breath going in and out of the nostrils? Or is a more balanced breathing rhythm needed, not too slow, not too fast?

In question 3 I meant:
Should one do, or would you recommend keeping attention on the air going in and out of the nostrils all day long... (24 hours or as much as possible).
I think that would help to maintain positive neutral thinking. But on the other hand, it is very difficult and even dangerous. Because you need to be thinking and be focused on the daily chores. However, I think it should be done whenever you can, adding several hours during the day.

Best regards and Salome.
Daniel

Mike Whelan

Daniel
Hi Daniel,

Question 1 – It’s very difficult for me to know exactly what is going on with you. I can only give you suggestions from my own experience and other student’s experience. Below are some points to think over and consider:

• No, you should not try to adjust or control your breathing. Just simply observe your breathing.
• Yes, relaxation is a benefit of observing your breath. The relaxation you are feeling is a natural and normal process.
• I’ll take a guess with this suggestion: If you are aware that your inhale is taking 3 -5 seconds then your attention is not on your breath. Your attention is counting the seconds between inhales, or worrying about breathing, or worrying about “sighs” or something else similar.

Question 3 – “Should one do, or would you recommend keeping attention on the air going in and out of the nostrils all day long... (24 hours or as much as possible).”

No. First of all that’s not possible. Our mind is so busy and distracted that during the day it would be impossible to maintain your attention on your breath. During a normal day, breathing attentiveness is used to calm down or “bring yourself back to you” or rebalance everything momentarily.

Secondly, if you went around all day with your attention on your breath, you would miss the majority of experience and interactions of life in general. You would miss the highs and lows of everyday life. You would miss the swinging waves and thoughts and feelings of other humans.

Keep your practice of meditation at the same time every day and practice it alone while you are at home. Maintain separate times for meditation and separate times for normal life. At least at our current level of evolution, we are not ready to bring a meditative concentration into normal life. This is possible, but it’s a long way away for most of us.

Salome,
Mike

Daniel

Hello 8877. Thanks for that information. Amazing what AI can do. I was surprised.
The answers the AI gives are very good. And also, they allow to go knowing more information about the content of Billy's book Introduction to Meditation.

"One of the instructions is to sit upright on a chair or a cushion, with the spine straight but not rigid, the shoulders relaxed but not slouched, the head slightly tilted forward but not drooping, and the chin slightly tucked in. The eyes should be closed or half-closed, looking slightly downward. The hands should rest on the thighs or in the lap, with the palms facing up or down. The feet should be flat on the floor or crossed on a cushion, depending on the posture chosen."

The part about: "the head slightly tilted forward but not drooping, and the chin slightly tucked in", served me well. I did it, and it no longer causes me pain or discomfort. It also helps and improves my back posture quite a bit. With time and meditative practice, it should improve even more.

If the AI could translate the information in Billy's books with the right words, it would be very helpful to FIGU in translating Billy's German books. It would make the process much faster and in several languages. But I understand that in the German language, there are words that have no meaning, so Billy's approval is needed in this case to select the most accurate word, so that the information is not misunderstood and mistranslated.

Thanks for the information 8877
Best regards
Salome
Daniel

Daniel

Mike Whelan Hi Mike. Thanks for answering.
Question 1:
I think there is a problem with the translator, as it did not understand me correctly what I asked.
I will follow your suggestions and those of the AI.

Question 3:
Yes, I agree. That's what I thought and what I commented in the previous post.

Thank you Mike. I will continue meditating applying your suggestions and I will tell you and consult you if I have any questions.
A big hug. Salome.
Daniel

Daniel

Mike Whelan Hi Mike.
Already after a month of constant daily meditation, I think I've improved quite a bit.
When I am with attention on the breath, after 2 or 3 inhalations I enter a different state.
I feel a change of vibration or frequency in my brain.
I feel as if my brain is anesthetized, it feels like a stronger concentration, a pressure, or vibration, or a different energy, which makes thoughts or images no longer come to distract.
My breathing regularizes in a perfect way, like automatic. I think it's the subconscious at work. My body does not move, it stays very still.
When I am in that state, I put my attention in the area of the pineal gland and I feel a "pressure", like an energy or force in that area. And at the same time I almost constantly feel a sensation, or "pressure" in the area between the eyebrows and forehead.
Other than that, and feeling focused, relaxed and as if in a "blank mind" state, I have not felt or perceived anything else so far.
This had happened to me many times before when I started meditating, without knowing much and without knowing the techniques of attention on the breath meditation. I even did it with my eyes open (without knowing it, and without intention) and I felt the same as I mentioned.
Is that normal, is that okay? Has it happened to you or anyone you know?

Salome.
Daniel

Mike Whelan

Daniel
Hi Daniel,

We have discussed before about concentrating your attention on your breath during meditation, so there is probably no need to go over this again.

If your attention is on your pineal gland area, then your attention is not on your breath.

If your attention is feeling a pressure, then your attention is not on your breath.

If your attention is feeling an energy force in that area, then your attention is not on your breath.

If your attention is on a sensation between your eyebrows, then your attention is not on your breath.

If your attention is on a sensation between your forehead, then your attention is not on your breath.

If your attention is not on your breath, then you are not meditating, you are thinking.

Salome,
Mike

DA5ID-CT

Hello

Great thread on the fabric of time and space!

Here is all day mediation explained in CR 754 by Billy.
Salome,

David

Daniel

DA5ID-CT Very good and interesting information. It clarified a little more some things I was doing, or trying to do from a while ago until now.
Thanks for sharing the information David!
Salome.
Daniel

Billy

Being a new member with a decade of reading in my lap and some very odd
chat responses can I place the following into the chat? https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Seven_Valuable_Steps_of_Meditation

Mike Whelan

Billy
Hi Billy,

Welcome to the Future of Mankind forum. I’m also relatively new to the forum.

Certainly, you can post text about meditation to this forum thread. Your thoughts and experience on meditation would also be welcome if you care to write about them. 😊

All the best,
Mike

Geo

Billy

Does anyone know if meditation is connected to the method of moving large stones in Egypt and elsewhere , where vibrational sound waves, so to speak, were used ?

Billy

Geo The control of the devices that moved this large stones would have been by thought.