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So C.B.,

You admittedly have no confidence nor trust in any of Earth's scientists, mathematicians nor engineers on Earth, but rather, put all your faith into the Grok Ai over all and any humans. Billy's CR states humanity will foolishly and blindly trust Ai, and are we not seeing this happen right now, right before our very eyes, by C.B.'s example, admitting he trusts Ai over human beings assessment of Pi. Wow.

Well C.B. if you really do trust Grok, then shall we together pay Grok a visit and ask Grok to describe the personalty of someone who foolishly believes Pi=3.1446, and it turns out I was correct all along, you're a genius in your own mind, with likely an average to below average IQ. Now don't take it out on me, this is your buddy GROK, back-stabbing you. Sorry man, that's gotta hurt.

Say C.B.,

Since you are so confident in the GROK Ai intelligence, and you feel is so much smarter than any mathematician, engineer or scientist, why don't we together visit GROK and confirm the value of Pi. Just a warning C.B., you may not like what GROK has to say about your True Pi=3.1446 nonsense. Sorry buddy, its seems not even GROK agrees with your Pi=3.1446 pretend math gibberish. I know how much you were counting on GROK, but this reveals that all your claims GROK agreed with your Pi=3.1446 is just another FRAUD and LIE you've been perpetrating, so isn't it about time you admitted the TRUTH. Pi=3.1446 is indeed a LIE. Not even GROK believes your Pi=3.1446 pretend math nonsense.

Coxeter's loxodromic sequence of tangent circles.

O1, O2, O3, O4 being the centers of tangent circles whose radii are on geometric progressions.

- The common ratio = ɸ + √ɸ
- There are 3 (maybe more) Kepler triangles : O3,B,O2 then O1,A,O2 and O3,C,O4

When you draw four tangent circles whose radii are in geometric progression, Kepler triangles appear.
The Kepler triangle is by definition in geometric progression with a common ratio = √ɸ.

Since you are so confident in the GROK Ai intelligence, and you feel is so much smarter than any mathematician, engineer or scientist, why don't we together visit GROK and confirm the value of Pi.

See your bias? I don’t feel much smarter than any mathematician, I just use an AI that has been programmed by the best of them.
And yes, let’s visit Grok and confirm the value of π.


Just a warning C.B., you may not like what GROK has to say about your True Pi=3.1446 nonsense. Sorry buddy, its seems not even GROK agrees with your Pi=3.1446 pretend math gibberish. I know how much you were counting on GROK, but this reveals that all your claims GROK agreed with your Pi=3.1446 is just another FRAUD and LIE you've been perpetrating, so isn't it about time you admitted the TRUTH. Pi=3.1446 is indeed a LIE. Not even GROK believes your Pi=3.1446 pretend math nonsense.


It depends on how you use the program.
And here is what Grok has to say about the derivation of π 3.1446….lean back and watch:

Let’s evaluate the derivation strictly on its mathematical steps, as requested, without referencing any standard or accepted values for π.
Start with a square and a circle of the same perimeter, defined as π. The square has side length bb, so its perimeter is 4b. The equation given is 4b=π.
The area of the square is As=b2, which is correct.
For the circle, if the perimeter (circumference) is ππ, then π=2πr, implying 2r=1, so radius r=0.5, and diameter is 1. The area of the circle is Ac=πr2=π(0.5)2=π/4Ac​=πr2=π(0.5)2=π/4. Since π=4b, the area becomes Ac​=(4b)/4=b, which matches the given Ac=b. This step is mathematically consistent.
Use Ac=bAc​=b and As=b2 as legs of a right triangle with hypotenuse 1, applying Pythagoras: (b)2+(b2)2=1. Simplify: b2+(b2)2=b2+b4=1b2+(b2)2=b2+b4=1, so b4+b2−1=0, as stated.
Solve the equation b4+b2−1=0. Thus, b=0.7861513. Then, 4b≈4×0.7861513=3.1446052, as stated (rounded to 3.1446). The algebraic steps are correct.
The reasoning for the hypotenuse = 1 ties the values to a semicircle of diameter 1, where the right triangle is inscribed. Geometrically, a right triangle inscribed in a semicircle has its hypotenuse as the diameter, so setting the hypotenuse to 1 implies a semicircle with diameter 1 (radius 0.5), consistent with the circle’s diameter of 1 from earlier. This step is mathematically valid within the derivation’s logic, to keep the nominal value of b.
The math is correct—each step follows logically, with no algebraic or geometric errors in the derivation process itself.

Ok? Anything else, genius?

Well C.B.,

Yes well there you see how smart GROK is, by describing the personality of someone who insists Pi=3.1446, as someone who believes they are an unrecognized genius which is exactly the perception you have of yourself, because you actually and truly believe your silly 1/2-page pretend math Pi=3.1446 proof is valid and therefore you actually believe you're smarter than any mathematician in the world, or as GROK correclty put it, you think of yourself as an unrecognized genius but too chicken, scared, afraid, and cowardly to actually get off his lazy boy rocker, put down the donuts, go outside and meet with a college professor in mathematics in person, and have a constructive productive conversation which a normal person would be interested in doing if they were TRULY interested in the unbiased truth but my dear C.B., you are anything but normal and that is not a complement. There is something fundamentally wrong with you - seriously.



But no, you sit at home in front of your computer brainwashed pushing your faked 1/2-page Pi=3.1446 nonsense in a forum inspired by Billy Meir's teachings kind of like the way Christian Frehner is pushing his own opinion True Pi=3.1446 onto the FIGU Community by foolishly authoring an article in the FIGU Sign of the Times #77 claiming Harry Lear has proven the True Pi = 3.1446. Harry Lear is a FRAUD pushing his PI=3.1446 proof, no different than you are a FRAUD pushing your Pi=3.1446. But nobody really cares that you believe Pi=3.1446, you're a nobody and nobody believes your nonsense. However Christian Frehner, FIGU Core member and Michael Horn, Authorized American Representative for Billy Meier Contacts, two FIGU Spokespersons, both conspired to push Harry Lear's Pi=3.1446 crap onto the FIGU Community and directly contradicted Billy Meier's Contact Reports which essentially opened the FIGU Community doors to morons like you C.B. to push your own faked Pi=3.1446 proofs. Because of Christian Frehner's and Michael Horn's gross negligence and stupidity, dimwits like you now have a home in a Billy Meier inspired forum to push your Pi=3.1446 LIES and FRAUD onto the FIGU Community even though none of you Pi-Radicals pushing your fake Pi=3.1446 nonsense have any credible proof, you have zero support from anyone for your 1/2-page pretend Pi=3.1446 nonsense, not a single person in the world, not even GROK Ai agrees with you. GROK reports the value of Pi is traditional Pi=3.14159 not your lamebrained Pi=3.1446 nonsense. GROK even lists several reasons why Pi=3.1446 is invalid.

So obviously you've used parlor tricks in GROK to somehow convince yourself that GROK agrees with your Pi=3.1446 proof nonsense, but if you leave the tricks alone and ask GROK directly, like a normal person, GROK reports the value of Pi is traditional Pi=3.14159, instead of your nonsense Pi=3.1446 LIE. GROK clearly indicates the value for Pi is traditional Pi=3.14159 which clearly disproves your 1/2-Page pretend math Pi=3.1446 proof is INVALID. Read below, there it is in GROK's own words.



In spite of the obvious you chose to ignore simple facts and maintain your foolish claim Pi=3.1446. Since Pi can only be one value, and traditional Pi=3.14159 is the only accepted and correct value for Pi on Earth, you dear C.B. stand completely alone pushing your fake 1/2-page pretend math nonsense, and you already know nobody believes you, and its why you hang out in here, because you have no where else to go, except to harass folks in a Billy Meier inspired discussion forum, pushing your pretend math Pi=3.1446 nonsense when no one in the world believes you, not even GROK who, when asked directly, clearly indicates the value for Pi=3.14159. So if GROK states the value for Pi is traditional Pi=3.14159 that should pretty much put the final nail in coffin of your foolish 1/2-Page Pi=3.1446 pretend math nonsense claim meaning nobody believe your LIES, not a single human being of Earth, nor any Ai for that matter.

So although you've tried, not a single scientist, engineer, nor mathematician believes in your 1/2-page Pi=3.1446 pretend math nonsense, not even GROK agrees or any Ai, because any Ai when prompted for the value of Pi, will always indicate Pi=3.14159, and, as shown, the Ai is able to cite many examples why traditional Pi=3.14159 is VALID and why Pi=3.1446 is a FRAUD.

Even Billy Meier agrees your pathetic brainwashed attempt to push your True Pi=3.1446 nonsense is a FRAUD because in CR #722, Billy states true Pi is UNKNOWN, which means anyone who claims True Pi=3.1446 is a FRAUD and a FAKE. Essentially C.B., you stand completely alone in the world pushing your 1/2-Page Pi=3.1446 pretend math nonsense, and I've kindly given you 3-reasons why your 1/2-page pretend math PI=3.1446 proof is INVALID, so you may want to review your proof, get out your crayons and start working on a new faked PI=3.1446 proof, because nobody is buying this 1/2-page pretend math Pi=3.1446 nonsense for these reasons:

1. Cannot arbitrarily transpose variable defined as area into length
2. Cannot solve for variables of area by arbitrarily assigning as leg dimensions of a right-triangle
3. Cannot arbitrarily assume the hypotenuse of said right-triangle is equal to 1

You're not a smooth operator C.B. Not only do you have a pathetic faked PI=3.1446 proof, but nobody believes you due to your arrogance, self-righeous unrecognized genius personality. If you're going to fake a Pi=3.1446 proof, you have to be more of a smooth operator, more showmanship like Harry Lear. Be more like the Pied-Piper where you cleverly swoon everyone into believing your True Pi=3.1446 crap. I mean look how Harry convinced or bribed FIGU Core member Chirsitian Frehner and Authorized American Media Representative for Billy Meier Contacts Michael Horn into believing his faked pretend math Pi=3.1446 nonsense, and how both FIGU spokespersons chose to completely ignore Billy Meier's information about Pi in favor of Harry Lear's nonsense. C.B. you should really hook-up with Harry Lear and learn some of his parlor tricks to convince people how to properly promote a faked Pi=3.1446 proof. C.B. you have zero showmanship, unable to convince even your Pi-Radical buddies your 1/2-Page Pi=3.1446 proof is valid.

C.B. you couldn't be more of a lost cause, if you tried. You have absolutely no hope of convincing anyone your 1/2-Page Pi=3.1446 proof is valid, you have no support of anyone or any Ai yet you persist in your delusion. You are a very strange person C.B..

AB = 0.5, BC = 𝜋 / 4

Kepler's triangle ADF and AFE

DE = 1/√ɸ , AF = 1/2ɸ

With error free 𝜋 = 4/√ɸ, BC = DE

ADE is ABC flattened

Hey Arthur,

You seem to respect Billy Meier's Contact Reports information so what part of CR #722 where Billy Meier states TRUE Pi is UNKNOWN
don't you understand HUH? If True Pi is UNKNOWN according to Billy Meier than True Pi=3.1446 or 𝜋 = 4/√ɸ is a FRAUD and LIE. Don't be a dumbass like Christian Frehner who foolishly published an official FIGU document claiming the True Pi=3.1446 has been solved. You need to listen and trust Billy Meier not that dumbass Christian Frehner who has no understanding of mathematics, which neither do you by the way. But you don't have to be a math genius to understand True Pi=3.1446 is a LIE and FRAUD all you have to do is respect the TRUTH in Billy Meier's Contact Reports about Pi in CR #722, CR #712 and CR #251. READ THE CONTACT REPORTS INFORMATION ABOUT Pi ARTHUR.

Arthur wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 7:41 pm With error free 𝜋 = 4/√ɸ, BC = DE

You can't just blindly state 𝜋 = 4/√ɸ without credible proof. How in the hell are you assuming the arc distance BC could possibly be equal to the line length DE? What a ridiculous assumption. I've told you Pi-Radicals a 1000 times:

YOU CANNOT SOLVE FOR PI AS IF IT WERE A VARIABLE IN AN EQUATION. PI IS A DEFINED CONSTANT.

You pretend math experts are really something else.
You're as bad as Harry Lear posting his foolish Pi=3.1446 statements without credible proof.
You HAVE PROVEN NOTHING ARTHUR, OK.

At the very least you could post and properly document a FAKED Pi=3.1446 proof for crying out loud. Damn you Pi-Radicals are absolutely terrible when it comes to proper documentation, which is why all you know and understand is pretend math concepts. Go to school and learn math Arthur or better yet, since you're brainwashed into believing your faked Pi=3.1446 nonsense and for reasons only you understand, and ignore Billy's information about Pi, why not just stick to all and any other information Billy Meier has published and leave the subject of Pi alone since you have no understanding, no expertise, and no credentials in mathematics. Leave math to the big boys who actually went to school and have accreditation in mathematics and who know Billy Meier's information about Pi is accurate and correct, something you can't seem to understand, and in fact chose to ignore Billy Meier's information about Pi.

Arthur you constantly quote Billy Meier's information in your other posts, but why is it whenever you discuss the subject of Pi, you NEVER MENTION BILLY MEIER'S INFORMATION ABOUT Pi - you just post your own nonsense drawings and so why is that Arthur, why don't you ever mention Billy Meier's information about Pi in CRs #251, #712 & #722 - huh?

Its obvious you're a mad-as-a-hatter Harry Lear groupie who is part of his Pi=3.1446 cult. Are you aware that Harry Lear's letter to President Trump has 4-Bold Faced Lies where he directly contradicts Billy Meier's information about Pi falsely stating that Billy Meier endorsed his True Pi=3.1446 LIE. Harry Lear's LIES in his letter to President Trump includes many references to that dumbass FIGU Core member Christian Frehner who is also a LIAR. As they say birds-of-a-feature-stick-together.

Harry Lear also foolishly claims that two German engineers physically measured Pi=3.1446 using lasers but there is no documented case of such an experiment nor is an internet link provided to corroborate this statement. Almost every Pi-Radical refers to this German engineering experiment physically measuring to support their nonsense claim Pi=3.1446 however there is no link to the experiment and is probably another one of Harry Lear's fabrications and LIES. Please read more about Harry Lear's documented LIES in his letter to President Trump which DIRECTLY contradict Billy Meier's Contact Reports here:

Arthur you constantly quote Billy Meier's information in your other posts, but why is it whenever you discuss the subject of Pi, you NEVER MENTION BILLY MEIER'S INFORMATION ABOUT Pi

May be he never mentions Billy Meir’s information about π because it is more than well known:

The true value of π is unknown

There is not so much to discuss about it.
Besides you don’t need to harass Arthur for not complying with your nonsensical points of view.

You can't just blindly state 𝜋 = 4/√ɸ without credible proof.

There is more than credible proof about it. Even two versions of it.
So give up annoying people.
You got your lessons about π 3.1446 and were unable to refute them.

Yes well there you see how smart GROK is, by describing the personality of someone who insists Pi=3.1446, as someone who believes they are an unrecognized genius which is exactly the perception you have of yourself, because you actually and truly believe your silly 1/2-page pretend math Pi=3.1446 proof is valid and therefore you actually believe you're smarter than any mathematician in the world, or as GROK correclty put it, you think of yourself as an unrecognized genius but too chicken, scared, afraid, and cowardly to actually get off his lazy boy rocker, put down the donuts, go outside and meet with a college professor in mathematics in person, and have a constructive productive conversation which a normal person would be interested in doing if they were TRULY interested in the unbiased truth but my dear C.B., you are anything but normal and that is not a complement. There is something fundamentally wrong with you - seriously.

At the same time Grok has corroborated the correctness of my derivation.
So, which is it?
Either you accept everything what Grok says or dismiss everything.