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oh Dear Arthur,

Why must you be spoon fed like a baby to understand such basic simple logical concepts that Billy Meier's CR #722 in 2019 clearly states True Pi is UNKNOWN documented here: https://hushdubwah.wixsite.com/figu-com ... challenges which is 2-years after Christian Frehner foolishly and stupidly claimed Harry Lear had solved the True Pi=3.1446. The above link also documents 4-Bold Faced LIES in Harry Lear's letter to then President Trump, that contradict Billy Meier's information about Pi - I mean how could you be so blind Arthur - unbelievable. I don't think you suffer from blindness, rather may be best described as brainwashing and why you avoid any references to Billy Meier's Contact Reports CR #251, #712 & #722 or, that you are nothing but a mole, intended to perpetrate and discredit the FIGU and its Mission.

Its so obvious Christian Frehner is an unscrupulous LIAR who in 2017 wrongly and foolishly claimed Harry Lear had solved the True and Correct Pi=3.1446 because two years later Billy Meier published Contact Report #722 where is makes it clear the True and Correct Pi is UNKNOWN. This proves, without any question or doubt, that Christian Frehner LIED, 2-years earlier falsely claiming True Pi=3.1446. Then Michael Horn, just a stupidly, promoted the True Pi=3.1446 LIE. In fact, Michael Horn is probably the original source for propagating the TRUE Pi=3.1446 LIE; that is Michael probably connected Harry Lear, both Americans by the way, to Christian Frehner, who fell hook-line-and-sinker for the Pi=3.1446 nonsense.

Now if we consider that you are unable to understand this basic simple logic that a baby could understand, is it any wonder you still haven't, after 8-years of trying, been able to successfully credibly proven your Pi=3.1446 nonsense. Apophis is arriving in a few short years, there is no way you will ever convince the world your Pi=3.1446 fake proof is valid, you're completely wasting your time, wake up and smell the coffee Arthur.

Arthur you have to admit its pretty damn strange why you avoid any reference to Billy Meier's information about Pi in CR's #251, #712, and #722, particularly CR #722 which clearly and plainly states TRUE PI is UNKNOWN. You may be brainwashed my dear friend.

I’m still genuinely perplexed by all this myself—and I do wonder what’s really going on. Today, mathematics isn’t my professional field, nor am I currently involved in any engineering, so it’s not a critical concern for me right now. Yet, I can’t help noticing some apparent contradictions in the Pi discussion, and I think these deserve clearer answers rather than being left unresolved.

From Contact Reports 251 (1995), 712 (2018), and 722 (2019), the Contract Reports consistently seem to say that the true value of π is still unknown and lies in the future. That much seems clear and consistent. But then there’s the part about Guido’s calculations—allegedly based on the Pyramid of Cheops—which are mentioned in a PDF titled Important Information for the Circle Number Pi by Christian Frehner. In it, Ptaah is asked about Guido’s results during the 260th contact and responds:

“This calculation is very amazing, but the time is still much too early in order to be allowed to make more detailed and more exact statements about that.”

Meanwhile, Contact Report 712 and especially CR 722 affirm that the true π remains unknown, which makes the earlier mention of 3.1446 (popularized through Harry Lear and Guido) seem questionable. FIGU Sign of the Times no. 077 in 2017 may have generally promoted that value, but the later clarification in CR 722 makes it clear that Pi is still unknown.

That brings me back to Christian Frehner: he’s been involved in working with these materials, so I’d be curious to know what he makes of all this—does he see it as a misunderstanding, a sincere error, or is there something deeper?

Ultimately, mistakes happen in any field—whether in spiritual studies or scientific circles. What matters most to me is that we keep seeking clarity and truth, not clinging to something once it’s been contradicted. That’s how progress is made. Maybe we should e-mail Christian Frehner and ask him what he thinks?

Stick with official document about this.
Of course, the true value of pi is unknown today and will remain so.
How many people are aware of the true value of pi ?
Almost no one. In science domain too.
Do you ever try to talk about it in a forum ?
I did. i was received with others brave comrades who know the value like a crazy guy. Threats, insult, censorship by the moderator, double account to harass us with the moderator's complicity, deleting post without any explanation and finally, close the topic. In a math forum , not a chat on Palestine. It's as if I had entered a church with the Talmud of Jmmanuel.

3.14159.. is a dogma , a religion, you can't touch it.

In the math forum where i was active before this one, one user said : "Only god knows the truth about the value of pi". In a math forum. Not in a church. And this guy was not a priest, or a monk.
And they constantly talk about method, rationality, and scientific thinking.
Harry Lear made the right decisions: no debates, no forums on his website. Otherwise, I think he would have gone mad.
In the 13th century, witches were burned at the stake in public, in front of everyone. It's the same thing with pi.
They cannot think for themselves; they need a guru, an authority figure to believe in.
And i don't talk about all the teaching of the truth, teaching of the spirit, teaching of life (from the prophets, the real prophets), The mental conditioning is even worse.
It will take time.

Arthur, I think you make a very important point when you compare the defense of 3.14159… to religion. Religion often closes off the human mind by giving the impression that nothing can or should be attained through one’s own efforts, but only through some higher power or deity that is consciously aware of us and selectively intervenes. In reality, that’s not the case at all—the creational laws are neutral. They are not “consciously conscious” of themselves, but instead function together in harmony.

From what I’ve heard from another passive-group member, at a certain evolutionary stage the laws do eventually become consciously conscious before merging back with Creation. That was her understanding from something she read, although I haven’t yet come across it myself and do not recall which book was quoted. Regardless, the point remains: the laws do not “pick and choose.” The sun is a good example—it shines equally on everyone, without preference or judgment.

That’s why I see the dogmatic clinging to 3.14159… in much the same way. It isn’t about honest exploration or seeking truth, but about defending an inherited belief as if it were sacred. And yet, as Contact Reports 251 (1995), 712 (2018), and 722 (2019) indicate, the true value of Pi still lies in the future, waiting to be discovered through genuine effort and advancement. FIGU Sign of the Times 077 has me wondering, also.

For my part, I’ve even written to Christian Frehner to ask his perspective, since he’s close to Billy and deeply involved in the mission. Hopefully he’ll be able to provide a simple clarification, which could help us all move beyond these repeated disputes.

Salome,
Kelsey

There is something very fishy regarding the True Pi=3.1446 LIE that has propagated the FIGU Community and is something that should never happened, but it did, and understanding why leads to the truth and perhaps ensuring it doesn't happen again. I mean this stuff is going on when Billy is still alive, what the hell will happen when he is no longer with us if LIES are being propagated now, just like in a religion where the truth is distorted and bent out of shape. Things simply don't add up without insight.

The response you may expect from Christian will be interesting, but expect it will likely be brief, vague and evasive. He will probably mention Billy Meier makes the final decision for all FIGU publication content, thereby absolving Christian of any responsibility for his FIGU Sign of the Times article #77 that falsely claimed True Pi=3.1446 because Billy approved the article for FIGU publication.

What Christian may not share is his obsession with True Pi=3.1446 after Harry's visit in 2017. He became so convinced True Pi=3.1446 he foolishly authored an article in FIGU Sign of the Times #77 stating his opinion as fact, that Harry Lear had solved the true and correct Pi=3.1446. Now if Billy approves every FIGU article, one might ask why did Billy allow Christian to publish this foolish false statement in an official FIGU publication which Billy himself couldn't validate and why Billy wisely, never authored the article. Well two possible explanations come to mind:

1. This is an assumption but I am 99.9% postive the Plejaren have never shared the True Pi value with Billy so Billy couldn't dismiss the possibility that Christian's claim True Pi=3.1446
2. Billy is probably one of the kindest people in the world to a fault, easily manipulated by the people he trusts and Christian's obsession with his True Pi=3.1446, likely swayed Billy to approve his article
3. There seems to be an underlying structure whereby nothing scientific is ever publish by FIGU under Billy's name unless directed and approved by the Plejaren and since the Plejaren did NOT approve the True Pi=3.1446 claim, the article could only be authored by Christian

We know in 1998 from CR #260 Billy asked the Plejaren about Guido's Pi=3.1446 value but the Plejaren made it clear they had no intention of commenting or providing any clarification regarding the True Pi value. But Christian had foolishly published his FIGU Sign of the Times #77 article in 2017, claiming Harry Lear had discovered True Pi=3.1446, Christian needed confirmation that his FIGU article was valid and correct from the Plejaren to make it legitimate. You see Christian published his official FIGU article falsely claiming True Pi=3.1446 without first verifying this scientific knowledge through Billy with the Plejaren.



So Christian gets his True Pi=3.1446 published in an official FIGU publication, FIGU Sign of the Times #77 in 2017 but what he really needs, the icing on the cake, is for the Plejaran to endorse his claim True Pi=3.1446 and make it official. So although Christian already knows from CR 260 the Plejaren are not keen about sharing any insight into the True Pi, we find that any references after 2017 in the Contact Reports concerning the Pi value is likely driven by Christian, pestering Billy to ask the Plejaren about the True value of Pi which starts to annoy the Plejaren only one year later in 2018.

In 2018, one year after Christian had published his True Pi=3.1446 official FIGU article, the Contact Repors mention Pi again, no surprise right, and Billy asks in CR 712 Ptaah about the true Value Pi, and Ptaah warns Billy to stop worrying Pi and being bothered about the Pi number.



I don't think Billy really cares anything about the true Pi Value, this is Christian in the background prodding trying to get validation for his 'official' True Pi=3.1446 FIGU article. And in CR 712 the Plejaren, perhaps a little annoyed, if they can become emotionally annoyed that is, set the record straight about Pi. CR 712 contains more juicy information about Pi than any other single CR. In CR 712 the Plejaren disclose that:

1. True Pi remains unsolved
2. An intrumentarium not yet invented is required to solve the true Pi value
3. Know-it-alls claim to solve the True Pi value, which may be an indirect reference to Christian, Michael FIGU spokespersons pushing the True Pi LIE onto the FIGU Community
4. Best of all, traditional Pi remains valid for all round and circular calculations in both math and physics which confirms traditional Pi=3.14159 is the best estimate of True Pi

CR 712 is a jewel of information regarding the true value of Pi, as if CR 251 wasn't enough in of itself which clearly states Earth brilliant scientists solve the true Pi value trying to save our dying Sun.

Then again in 2019, CR 722, Billy Meier makes it official, True Pi is UNKNOWN - thank God, finally, proving True Pi=3.1446 is a hoax, something every scientists, engineer and mathematician in the entire world has already known for centuries easily proven using conventional math.

But if that wasn't enough, incredibly, we see yet again in 2023, CR 856, Billy presents the Plejaren again with yet another reference to Harry Lear and the True Pi=3.1446 nonsense and pretty damn positive this was not Billy idea to bring up this subject, although we may consider Christian would still very much like the Plejaren to validate his True Pi=3.1446 LIE article officially published in Sign of the Times #77 back in 2017. This time its an article written by Oleg Kinash from Ukraine who seemed to have also fallen hook-line-and-sinker for Harry Lear's Pi=3.1446 LIE nonsense. It seems Harry Lear is the Pied Piper of Pi. Anyway, as before, as always, the Plejaren refuse to provide any comment on the true value of Pi. It is very unlikely we will ever see another Contact Report reference to Pi ever again, or rather I would be amazed if it did. I expect the Plejaren just about have had enough of this nonsense.

In the email I sent, I pulled together a few relevant touchpoints — CR 251, 712, 722, and Sign of the Times #77 — to see what thoughts might surface. I wrote it fairly quickly, so I’m curious what the reply will contain; if need be, I can compile a more detailed sequence of excerpts for Christian’s review if the response is not sufficient enough.

In CR 712, line 27, the actual German reads "Instrumentarium" — a deliberate, precise term. In scientific and technical usage, Instrumentarium denotes a specialised, purpose‑designed set of instruments — often an integrated system combining multiple tools and methodologies — created for a very specific, high‑precision task.

Billy makes it clear that such a dedicated precision‑measuring and computational system, capable of determining the circle number π down to:
«den letzten und kleinsten Wert der absoluten Richtigkeit»
“the last and smallest value of absolute correctness,”
does not currently exist in the terrestrial mathematical or instrumental realm. Consequently, there is at present no possibility of calculating π to its final, true value.

The implication is not that today’s hardware or software could achieve it with refinement — but that the entire class of measuring systems and corresponding methods required has yet to be conceived and built. The Plejaren wording leaves room to imagine a hybrid of physical measurement technology, ultra‑stable reference standards, and mathematical modelling far beyond our present capabilities.

For me, CR 712 remains pivotal because it explicitly lays out that:
• The true value of π is not yet solved
• Determining it would require an Instrumentarium absent from current Earth science
• Claims to have “solved” it are unfounded
• Traditional π = 3.14159… remains valid for all practical and theoretical uses in mathematics and physics

CR 722 underscores the same point — true π is unknown — and echoes CR 260’s earlier non‑comment, consistent with the Plejaren reluctance to hand over such constants prematurely.

Examples of modern instrumentaria in Earth science and technology
• Medical and Dental Imaging Suites
• Panoramic and cone‑beam CT systems like the Instrumentarium OP300 series — combining X‑ray generators, detectors, and software into one calibrated package for diagnostics
• Integration of hardware, imaging algorithms, and operator controls into a single, purpose‑built platform
• Advanced Laboratory Setups
• Genomics labs with sequencers, robotic sample handlers, and bioinformatics pipelines — all tuned to work together for high‑throughput DNA/RNA analysis
• Cryo‑electron microscopy facilities combining microscopes, vibration‑isolation tables, cooling systems, and image‑processing clusters into one functional whole
• Environmental and Remote‑Sensing Arrays
• Networks of ground‑based sensors, drones, and satellites feeding into a central modelling system for climate, seismic, or atmospheric research
• The instrumentarium here is the entire integrated measurement ecosystem, not just a single device
• Surgical and Clinical Instrument Sets
• Complete, sterilised sets of tools for a given procedure, often managed by services like Instrumentum that handle the full lifecycle from sterilisation to delivery

Speculation: what might such an Instrumentarium entail? (Future‑tech ideas from Contact Reports)

Given related descriptions of Plejaren devices for predictive environmental analysis, it’s reasonable to picture something like:
• Temporal‑Environmental Scanners – integrating atmospheric, geological, and energetic data, potentially projecting events months ahead [1]
• Consciousness‑linked Interfaces – responsive to operator intent, calibrated psychometrically [2]
• Planetary Grid Mapping Systems – modelling cascading environmental and societal effects within an interconnected framework [3]
• Synthetic‑Aetheric Data Fusion – sensing beyond the electromagnetic spectrum, into fine‑matter or sub‑quantum domains [4]
And, drawing from other Contact Report references and related Plejaren science, we can further speculate on:
• Quantum‑Field Resonance Arrays – probing quantum vacuum fluctuations, zero‑point fields, and fine‑matter interactions, bridging quantum mechanics with Creation‑energy physics [5][6]
• Subatomic Particle Topography Systems – 3D cartography of quark‑gluon interactions, neutrino oscillations, and exotic particle states [6]
• Creation‑Energy Modulators – detecting and modulating oscillation patterns of Creation‑energy particles [7]
• Consciousness‑State Mapping and Harmonization Platforms – charting thought‑feeling‑psyche dynamics, aligning them with Creational laws [2][8]
• Causality‑Cascade Simulators – modelling how micro‑level events propagate to macro‑level phenomena, including immaterial causal chains [1][3]
• Multi‑Domain Predictive Matrices – integrating environmental, biological, sociological, and consciousness‑field data into one predictive framework [1][3][4]
• Ethico‑Physical Compliance Monitors – assessing actions or technologies for harmony with Creational laws [8][9]
• Trans‑Dimensional Observation Platforms – perceiving phenomena across multiple space‑time configurations without relocation [10]
• Fine‑Matter Energy Spectrum Analysers – detecting emissions or absorptions beyond EM bands, tied to spirit‑energy processes [4][7]
• Integrated Creational Law Simulators – modelling the consequences of actions against the Creational law framework, blending morals, ethics, physics, and consciousness science [8][9]

The concept of such an instrumentarium points beyond the limits of present‑day engineering. FIGU material makes it clear that its foundation would rest on an understanding of reality where quantum mechanics, subatomic particle physics, and Creation‑energy science converge. The spirit‑form itself is described as a special form of electron‑energy — and there are numerous types of electrons and related fine‑matter particles that terrestrial science has yet to identify or categorize. Any system capable of measuring π to the last and smallest value of absolute correctness would need to operate at that frontier, with sensitivity to both the known and still‑hidden layers of matter and energy. Its design and use would reflect the recognition that the material and the immaterial are inseparably linked — that to truly measure with ultimate precision is also to understand the deeper structures and relationships that underlie all existence.

Concerning the precision measurement Harry Lear use a tape and his result was tenth of mm. 3.1446 for a 1 meter diameter circle.
Later, a laser was used and achieved accuracy down to thousandths of a millimeter. 3.144605, they added 2 digits to Harry Lear measurement.

We know from the contact 70 there are 7 layers of material before fine material (and spiritual, no material).

We know the 7, 6, and 5th level.

7 - Atoms
6 - Electrons.
5 - Quarks

Ptaah gives the names of the 7 levels on contact 349.

So we still have four levels to discover.
The lowest (smallest), level n° 1, is the atom for the Plejarens. (not the 7th for us).

The probability 3.144605 is not 4/√ɸ is zero.
Geometrically this number is 4 time the base of a Kepler triangle / height. Solving squaring the circle. Which is impossible today.
Algebraically pi the solution of the quadratic equation: x⁴ + 16x² - 256 = 0

4/√ɸ with ɸ = (√5 + 1)/ 2

The following decimals after what was physically found are therefore: 51102969314427823 ....

It will take a long time to obtain the same number of digits for pi, both physically and mathematically.

1 million of digits for pi take a fraction of second to calculate.

Whatever CF says, it won't change anything. Fanatics will remain fanatics. Like rabbis swaying against the Wailing Wall.

Concernig Apophis, Nasa and pi there was a discussion on the old figu forum.
It is no longer indexed by Google, but it is still there.

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus ... #POST91532

The topic "Plejaren asteroid warning" in the old forum is very informative.

Science has spoken.
The measurement has been made and confirmed with a laser.
The Plejarens confirm the data of Harry Lear (measurement, calculations).
FIGU provided a document.

Hi Arthur,
Thanks for your thoughtful post—there’s a lot to unpack here, and I appreciate your effort to bridge physical measurement, Plejaren cosmology, and the broader implications for consciousness and technology.
Regarding Harry Lear’s measurements and the laser refinement to 3.144605: while thought-provoking, I think it’s important to distinguish between empirical approximations and the deeper mathematical or creational constants that underlie reality. The Plejaren have indeed confirmed that our current understanding of π is incomplete, and that future discoveries—likely tied to advancements in consciousness and Instrumentarium—will reveal a more precise value. But as you rightly point out, such progress must be earned through ethical and consciousness-based development, not just technological prowess.
Your reference to the seven layers of material (from Contact Report 70 and expanded in CR 349) is a helpful reminder that our atomic model is still rudimentary compared to the Plejaren understanding. I almost included this in my prior post but decided to leave it for what is already known. If the “atom” is level 1 with a total of 7, then we’re still several layers removed from grasping the true fine-material substratum.
As for Apophis: NASA’s orbital calculations are impressive, but limited by the material constraints of their models. The Plejaren data—especially from CR 150 and later confirmations—suggests that Apophis poses a real threat in 2036 unless corrective action is taken. The fact that this warning was issued decades ago, and still remains largely ignored, speaks volumes about our civilization’s priorities.
With appreciation,
Kelsey

Here was Christian’s reply:
Hi Kelsey

Based on the missing clear statement by Ptaah (or Billy), the situation is "unsolved" and "pending".

Obviously there's a reason that this confirmation has not been made. Based on that, it's up to terrestrial scientists to deal with this "uncertainty" and "cling" to the old Pi, or leave an open door to the possibility of a need for correction.

My article can be looked at as a means to "rekindle the embers". But due to the lack of mathematical expertise, I cannot be involved in any discussion or calculations.

Who knows, perhaps Pi will be considered in the probable 2 "fly-in's" of the Red Meteor.

Salome
Christian

Thank for posting the CF reply.
So it's up to the "Scientific community" to wake up, face reality at their own pace.

Hi Arthur,
Yes — and that’s the tragedy in slow motion, isn’t it? As long as belief systems, short‑term thinking, and entrenched ideologies act as blinders, the broader scientific community will only “wake up” at the pace allowed by their own conditioning. And in the meantime, the focus on maximising national or corporate growth — often through cutting corners, externalising costs, and accepting ecological damage — creates the very instability that undermines long‑term survival.
If there’s a key thread running through both the π discussion and the Apophis warnings, it’s that without a massive change in consciousness and a re‑anchoring of education toward reality‑based, Creational‑aligned thinking, any technical advancement risks being misapplied. Rapid growth in the right direction can only happen when knowledge, ethics, and foresight develop together.
I share your hope that our future descendants inherit a framework in which cooperation, planetary stewardship, and truth‑seeking are the baseline. That way, whether it’s calculating a truer value of π or taking decisive action on a near‑Earth object, the work will be done in harmony with all life — rather than at its expense.
Salome,
Kelsey